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== NHL Hitz 20-02 == | == NHL Hitz 20-02 == | ||
We have a bit of an issue with this... GNHE5d (yes lower case d) belongs to [[NHL Hitz 20-02]]! The lowercase d is a violation of the gameid standards, but NHL Hitz 20-02 does in fact use the lowercase d, at least as far as Dolphin is concerned. [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/484730/GNHE5lowercased.jpg Here is proof curtesy of JMC47.] JMC says that by 2003 it was corrected, so it is only this game that uses it, to my knowledge. Anyway, right now, you if right click NHL Hitz 20-02 in Dolphin and hit wiki, it directs users to Maxplay Games! I don't know if the lowercase mess up contributed, but Datel stole this gameid for their products. GNHE5d is wrong but it is an official gameid and for an officially launched game. In my opinion this gameid should be made exclusive for NHL Hitz 20-02, or turned into a disambiguation page. What do you guys think? - [[User: | We have a bit of an issue with this... GNHE5d (yes lower case d) belongs to [[NHL Hitz 20-02]]! The lowercase d is a violation of the gameid standards, but NHL Hitz 20-02 does in fact use the lowercase d, at least as far as Dolphin is concerned. [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/484730/GNHE5lowercased.jpg Here is proof curtesy of JMC47.] JMC says that by 2003 it was corrected, so it is only this game that uses it, to my knowledge. Anyway, right now, you if right click NHL Hitz 20-02 in Dolphin and hit wiki, it directs users to Maxplay Games! I don't know if the lowercase mess up contributed, but Datel stole this gameid for their products. GNHE5d is wrong but it is an official gameid and for an officially launched game. In my opinion this gameid should be made exclusive for NHL Hitz 20-02, or turned into a disambiguation page. What do you guys think? - [[User:MayImilae|MayImilae]] ([[User talk:MayImilae|talk]]) 04:12, 12 February 2016 (CET) | ||
:AFAIK Datel developed some kind of bootstrap based on the app loader of NHL Hitz 20-02 so they could "trick" the GC/Wii to boot the game as a licensed game (which clearly is not the case). That technique is similar to what most (if not all) Nintendo DS flashcards did to trick the Nintendo DS/DSi/3DS too. However I think we have an advantage, Datel uses GNHE5d (notice the lowercase "d"), the official [[NHL Hitz 20-02]] and all oficially licensed games uses all uppercase IDs. <s>In other words, we could make a redirect in GNHE5D (all uppercase) to [[NHL Hitz 20-02]] and turn this page a disambig for Datel products (I can confirm Action Replay also shares this ID). I didn't test this but AFAIK Dolphin context-menu option will just get the ID and throw whatever ID the disc claims at dolp.in/id in order to redirect the user to the proper wiki page, we may be able to handle both [[NHL Hitz 20-02]] and Datel products this way (thanks to the lowercase d at the end used by Datel).</s> Oh, snap. Just saw the edit. In that case a disambig page is the way to go =/ - [[User:mbc07|mbc07]] ([[User talk:mbc07|talk]]) 04:27, 12 February 2016 (CET) | :AFAIK Datel developed some kind of bootstrap based on the app loader of NHL Hitz 20-02 so they could "trick" the GC/Wii to boot the game as a licensed game (which clearly is not the case). That technique is similar to what most (if not all) Nintendo DS flashcards did to trick the Nintendo DS/DSi/3DS too. However I think we have an advantage, Datel uses GNHE5d (notice the lowercase "d"), the official [[NHL Hitz 20-02]] and all oficially licensed games uses all uppercase IDs. <s>In other words, we could make a redirect in GNHE5D (all uppercase) to [[NHL Hitz 20-02]] and turn this page a disambig for Datel products (I can confirm Action Replay also shares this ID). I didn't test this but AFAIK Dolphin context-menu option will just get the ID and throw whatever ID the disc claims at dolp.in/id in order to redirect the user to the proper wiki page, we may be able to handle both [[NHL Hitz 20-02]] and Datel products this way (thanks to the lowercase d at the end used by Datel).</s> Oh, snap. Just saw the edit. In that case a disambig page is the way to go =/ - [[User:mbc07|mbc07]] ([[User talk:mbc07|talk]]) 04:27, 12 February 2016 (CET) | ||
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Yeah, given the shared ID we'll need a disambig page. It will need to be hand generated though, as the {{tl|disambig}} templates is only set up for shared game titles. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 07:43, 12 February 2016 (CET) | Yeah, given the shared ID we'll need a disambig page. It will need to be hand generated though, as the {{tl|disambig}} templates is only set up for shared game titles. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 07:43, 12 February 2016 (CET) | ||
:And now it is a disambig page! - [[User: | :And now it is a disambig page! - [[User:MayImilae|MayImilae]] ([[User talk:MayImilae|talk]]) 12:57, 14 February 2016 (CET) | ||
== Datel Uses == | == Datel Uses == | ||
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* The GameCube also had various singles, the Action Replay Ultimate Codes. JMC confirmed the ones he have all use GNHE5d. I don't know how many or which ones use it. | * The GameCube also had various singles, the Action Replay Ultimate Codes. JMC confirmed the ones he have all use GNHE5d. I don't know how many or which ones use it. | ||
So um, basically, this is really complicated! - [[User: | So um, basically, this is really complicated! - [[User:MayImilae|MayImilae]] ([[User talk:MayImilae|talk]]) 13:18, 14 February 2016 (CET) | ||
:Regarding [[Action Replay (GC)]], I read somewhere else (can't find the source now) that it uses GNHE5d Game ID up to version 1.17 (BTW I can confirm my copy -- which is v1.14b -- uses GNHE5d Game ID too). After that there's a newer 1.20 version which uses another ID (maybe it's the DTLE01 that JMC47 owns?) and it's compatible with updated Wiis. Apparently another way to check for v1.20 is trying to add new codes, that version doesn't let you add new codes... | :Regarding [[Action Replay (GC)]], I read somewhere else (can't find the source now) that it uses GNHE5d Game ID up to version 1.17 (BTW I can confirm my copy -- which is v1.14b -- uses GNHE5d Game ID too). After that there's a newer 1.20 version which uses another ID (maybe it's the DTLE01 that JMC47 owns?) and it's compatible with updated Wiis. Apparently another way to check for v1.20 is trying to add new codes, that version doesn't let you add new codes... | ||
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== Info Compilation == | == Info Compilation == | ||
JMC gave me a bunch more data! JMC figured out that all of them use the same firmware system and apploaders, and the versions can tell us which GameID the specific Datel product are using. Here is a compilation of everything we know so far. As more data comes in we can just edit the below. - [[User: | JMC gave me a bunch more data! JMC figured out that all of them use the same firmware system and apploaders, and the versions can tell us which GameID the specific Datel product are using. Here is a compilation of everything we know so far. As more data comes in we can just edit the below. - [[User:MayImilae|MayImilae]] ([[User talk:MayImilae|talk]]) 12:51, 21 February 2016 (CET) | ||
=== Known Datel software versions === | === Known Datel software versions === | ||