User talk:Kolano

Regions and Games
1. Should we add regional names to the Gamecube game list if there are differences? (English, Japanese, French...)


 * Generally yes, though we may want avoid doing so in the case of exact translations to avoid listing 5+ EU translations of each name. Kolano (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2018 (CEST)


 * Okay (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2018 (CEST)

2. Should we all regional names to the wiki pages if there are differences?


 * Again, generally yes, but be cautious of listing exact translations. Kolano (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2018 (CEST)


 * Alright (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2018 (CEST)

3. Should we add regions like French (FR), Spanish(SP) etc. to the 'vgrelease' list for possible different release dates and country exclusive releases?


 * Generally we just list the earliest EU release date, but may want to consider listing more dates when there are differences. Would be good to understand how frequently such comes up. Such would also likely require rewriting how some of the vgrelease template logic works. Kolano (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2018 (CEST)


 * I will contact you when I have a complete list of dates. (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2018 (CEST)


 * It's really easy to add/remove regions from vgrelease so I added SP/FR for you. It doesn't affect any current pages to add them either. You can see it in the infobox on Dummy Page if you want. We might also want to do a generic year (and month) under "EU" alongside those and NL with more regions but idk it seems kind of pointless. That requires knowing separate release dates for French and Spanish releases though and I think only GameTDB has dates for particular regions in Europe? GameFAQS just says EU as far as I remember. - Xerxes (talk) 09:57, 11 August 2018 (CEST)


 * Aren't there also German specific releases (and perhaps a few others)? Kolano (talk) 09:59, 11 August 2018 (CEST)


 * Yeah we could match the regions in GameIDs with the regions in vgrelease, but that would take a long time to sort through all the IDs again and I'm lazy. - Xerxes (talk) 10:05, 11 August 2018 (CEST)
 * I added Germany, Italy, Scandinavia, and Taiwan/Hong Kong/Macau too. - Xerxes (talk) 10:29, 11 August 2018 (CEST)


 * Thank you for the effort! There are lots of old gaming magazines out there with release dates of the Gamecube era. I know some German websites I can search on. I can figure out other countries thanks to google translator. I figured some Korean and Japanese dates out with that method. One '2 in 1 Games' collection for the Gamecube is a German exclusive (The one with only one GID). Kimishima (talk) 15:49, 11 August 2018 (CEST)


 * It should be possible to use some dpl rules to quickly generate lists of titles with region specific GameIDs (refer the "Samples" column on the GameIDs page), which should allow titles needing edits to be quickly identified; though finding all the appropriate dates may still be a pain. 18:00, 11 August 2018 (CEST)

D Germany
(Good source for dates: https://www.gamepro.de/nintendo/spiele/gc/hulk/33230.html <= Hulk is the example)

I have a small question. I saw you changed my GE edits to DE, which I am personally all for. Why do GE and DE redirect you to the German page? As on the Dummy Page. Seems funny to me. EDIT: DE made problems on 2 Games in 1: The Incredibles / Finding Nemo: maximum number of loops has been performed.


 * Looks like I had missed a few GE references that needed to be revised to DE. Kolano (talk) 00:37, 14 August 2018 (CEST)


 * Thanks for fixing it. Kimishima (talk) 20:01, 14 August 2018 (CEST)


 * Could you delete Template:Ratings/All-Star Baseball 2003 (it's now Template:Ratings/All-Star Baseball 2003 featuring Derek Jeter) and Template:Ratings/All-Star Baseball 2004 (it's now Template:Ratings/All-Star Baseball 2004 featuring Derek Jeter), thanks in advance. Kimishima (talk) 10:50, 18 August 2018 (CEST)

F France
(Good source for dates: http://www.jeuxvideo.com/jeux/gamecube-ngc/00010773-hulk.htm <= Hulk is the example)

S Spain
(Good source: http://www.meristation.com.mx/gamecube/the-hulk/juego/1512176 and https://as.com/meristation/plataformas/gamecube/juegos/)

W Taiwan / Hong Kong / Macau

 * Perfect! Thank you! Kimishima (talk) 10:29, 12 August 2018 (CEST)

4. Should we alter the 'CompatListHeader' to include French (FR), Spanish (SP), Swedish (SW), Netherlandish (NE), Italian (IT) and German (GE)?


 * I think there are likely a few others to include, refer GameIDs, but I also think Dolphin generally lumps many of those under it's EU label (i.e. I believe they get an EU flag banner in the UI). This wouldn't just be about updating that template as we'd also need to break things out differently in the Region column of each title list, which will be significant effort that we may want to avoid. Kolano (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2018 (CEST)


 * Dolphin separates them. A German game will show a German flag, French games the French flag etc. (with [these] codes. Here a picture (Uploaded to Twitter) Kimishima (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2018 (CEST)

Kimishima (talk) 10:51, 8 August 2018 (CEST)

Triforce rating
I see that you think that Triforce games should be rated 1 star because they are broken on master. While that is technically true, the same can be said about any other game not for Wii/GC. But just like any other console which is not Wii/GC, the master branch of Dolphin doesn't emulate the Triforce and because the wiki is inline with master I think they shouldn't be rated at all.Miksel12 (talk) 13:51, 30 Dec 2020 (CEST)


 * This has already been discussed in the past, and is partially why the ratings for all those pages are locked. We understand it's been a long time since any progress has been made on Triforce emulation. The Triforce pages should probably be purged from the wiki, but folks have wanted to preserve them since Dolphin provides the only current path to emulate these titles, even if no longer supported on master. Kolano (talk) 08:03, 31 December 2020 (CET)


 * I don't think the pages should be purged, like you said, Dolphin is the only way to emulate them. But by rating them against master, one would assume Triforce is emulated on master and it gives a wrong impression of which games are actually 'broken' (which are 5 games) and which games are from a machine not emulated (which are 15 games). So I would give the Triforce games 0 stars and keep the pages with a link to the Triforce branch.Miksel12 (talk) 14:15, 31 Dec 2020 (CEST)

Template:Delete
Can you restore it? Why was it deleted? Lucario (talk) 08:19, 28 January 2022 (CET) I don't know if these redirs are used anymore, they were listed in the RELSAB, their parentheses have been moved out to allow DPL linksto to check these for their gameid. Lucario (talk) 08:24, 28 January 2022 (CET)
 * Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut (Beta)
 * Smashing Drive (Nov 5, 2001)
 * Rayman Arena (March 12, 2002)
 * ATV Quad Power Racing 2 (Oct 11, 2002)


 * I've restored it, though I think we had purged it as it was overly complicated and wasn't getting used in the same way after various GameID clean-up and completion of other page collections. It definitely needs better documentation. Kolano (talk) 09:43, 29 January 2022 (CET)


 * Also I think we had prefered for the RELSAB ID to not show up on most of the those titles, as it's only used for those pre-release versions and isn't a unique identifier. Kolano (talk) 09:48, 29 January 2022 (CET)


 * Thank you, the documentation was also deleted so the template page appears to be lacking without it, maybe if you restore that also (edit: Thank you mbc07) Maybe you're right, it might not be needed anymore. It was a simple tool easy to flag what needs to be deleted but seems lately more things require discussion. I don't know, it might be useful again someday.


 * RELSAB on those game pages aren't wrong when it was indeed used during their beta stages. I understand it is likely a generic id used across several places so it can sound unappealing.


 * It's not used on Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut because we've got the beta page for it so we have few options:


 * Just unlink those other games from RELSAB
 * Have own beta pages for pre-releases of those other games
 * Merge beta information back to the released version
 * Or have those redirects again to stop shared gameid DPL from looking for those games again but do we want to have dates in the parentheses as the titles of the pre-released versions? Sounds like it'll create a fragmentation problem when we run across multiple betas of same game.Lucario (talk) 11:35, 29 January 2022 (CET)