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==Quick and Dirty==
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== Quality Guide? ==
I want you guys' opinions on the latest updates. Note that the images will be updated soon.
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So we have this page describing settings for maximum performance. Should we add a page regarding settings for maximum graphics quality (AA, Antistropic, Resolution, Filtering, ...)? [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 18:16, 12 January 2014 (CET)
*It's a "quick and simple example". Most of these settings are defaults now. Is it even needed?
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:YES I'd love to see something like this. We can upload pics that will show various examples, like Anti-aliasing, resolution, and highlight performance impacts. In addition to this we could merge article [[DSP LLE]] to here as well. Oh, also add contents from these [https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-dolphin-cpu-hierarchy-unofficial CPU Hierarchy] [https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-minimum-specs-video-card-unofficial Minimum Specs - video card] [[User:Lucario|Lucario]] ([[User talk:Lucario|talk]]) 09:04, 11 March 2014 (CET)
*I go into some detail in places; is it not "quick and dirty" enough?
 
[[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] 23:44, 5 August 2011 (CEST)
 
  
I wouldn't be too hung up on the "quick and dirty". That text was copied from the original page, and I'm not clear there is a good reason to preserve this in a "quick and dirty" state. I'm guessing it was mostly to say, "sorry about not providing more detail", which we can hopefully better address here.
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== Deletion Proposal ==
*We should cover the optimal performance settings here, even if they are defaults. Such may help users restore optimal settings post having messed around with their settings.
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Recommended settings are already enabled by default in Dolphin emulator & it's preloaded with helpful dialogues. Nothing to see here. [[User:Lucario|Lucario]] ([[User talk:Lucario|talk]]) 06:57, 11 March 2014 (CET)
*There seems to be lots of topics that could use better details. These include:
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:We know. Even though the fastest settings are just defaults, new users don't believe it. They insist that the defaults have to be bad and there has to be ways to speed the game up. It's crazy, but some people just have to see a "performance guide" before they'll believe something is actually faster. That's why this exists. - [[User:MayImilae|MayImilae]] ([[User talk:MayImilae|talk]]) 00:40, 18 April 2014 (CEST)
**Various "Config" options: idle skipping, framelimit, engine
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::Also post twiddling settings it's good to have a guide to restore the defaults. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 01:24, 18 April 2014 (CEST)
**Selecting less than native Internal Resolution
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:::Makes sense. The first paragraph should be edited accordingly to what you've said earlier. Telling others that by using this guide even though they're already set as default is bit misleading and waste of their times. [[User:Lucario|Lucario]] ([[User talk:Lucario|talk]]) 01:51, 18 April 2014 (CEST)
**Disabling EFB copies
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::::Anyway, the guide is little bit bland. Why not we do something with previous topic above this? We can merge [[DSP LLE]] and other quality guides to here to make it more useful than just a guide how to reset back to default. [[User:Lucario|Lucario]] ([[User talk:Lucario|talk]]) 01:51, 18 April 2014 (CEST)
**OpenMP/CL Texture decoders
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:::::I'm against that. It's best to keep it separate and to the point. If you look at the history on the page, you'll note that there has been TONS of problems with people uploading random settings that make zero sense. It got so bad for so long it just had to be locked. Isolated like this, that can be contained here and leave the rest of the stuff open and available for editing, like what you did on the ripping guide. Besides, we tried merging. The [[Dolphin Manual]] fell through.  Yes it's bland, yes it's kind of annoying to keep around (I have always said how much I hate this guide) but this really is the best option. - [[User:MayImilae|MayImilae]] ([[User talk:MayImilae|talk]]) 08:49, 18 April 2014 (CEST)
**Effects of the various Graphics\Hacks\Others section
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::::::I agree with MayImilae. This guide is a mess, and there's no way of improving it (from my point of view). I prefer leaving this messy guide as it is now until something more appropriate is done (like finishing Dolphin Manual), no matter how long it takes... [[User:mbc07|mbc07]] ([[User talk:mbc07|talk]])
**Sample rate for DSP
 
[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] 17:02, 6 August 2011 (CEST)
 
  
Hmm. In the original way it was done on the site, there was the "performance guide", an example of a faster then default setup, and then there was the "configuration guide", which showed all the options and what they did. The reason for two options instead of one was to provide a fast way for people to get dolphin up to a higher rate of speed, and the other was the complicated, comprehensive list. With the improved defaults, there is no need for an "example" setup now, and almost all of the options to speed things up are compromises: improving performance at the cost of quality. If we are going to go into tons of different options, weighing their pros and cos, then I think performance guide is redundant; we should just list all the options in a single, comprehensive guide. [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] 09:46, 7 August 2011 (CEST)
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Err, bump? I think we should reeally get rid of this before 5.0. Most (if not all) the info present here is already baked in Dolphin's tooltips/config screens, not to mention it's not updated for a while, I see no point in maintaining this guide... - [[User:mbc07|mbc07]] ([[User talk:mbc07|talk]]) 16:17, 30 January 2016 (CET)
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:That was what I was trying to say from the start. Though transforming this page into ELI5 quality guide with screenshots to show difference will be awesome, like what is Anisotropic filtering, anti-aliasing, regarding issues with dualcore, etc., with the addition of "you should leave settings default for the most optimal performance". [[User:Lucario|Lucario]] ([[User talk:Lucario|talk]]) 19:30, 8 November 2016 (CET)
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::I agree with Lucario, i think this guide should be redone to show differences between settings and when to activate them. [[User:EblfIYH|EblfIYH]] ([[User talk:EblfIYH|talk]]) 21:28, 14 May 2017 (CEST)
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::Currently working on remaking the page, anyone who wants to help is welcome. P.D I am remaking this as a config guide rather than a performance, so i suggest renaming this as "Configuration Guide" or "How to configurate Dolphin"[[User:EblfIYH|EblfIYH]] ([[User talk:EblfIYH|talk]]) 22:07, 14 May 2017 (CEST)
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::::I've moved it. Will prevent me getting huffy every time coverage strays from performance details. Have fun. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 04:56, 20 May 2017 (CEST)
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::: I strongly oppose linking game pages into the guide like on the recent edit. Dolphin is always evolving and a game linked here might not need the mentioned setting in future. Regarding the naming, if we change it from "Performance Guide" to anything else, soon we'll have the same issue this guide miserably fails to address: users that think the default settings are slow and thus they think they need a performance guide (especially users on low-end machines)... - [[User:mbc07|mbc07]] ([[User talk:mbc07|talk]]) 03:15, 16 May 2017 (CEST)
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:::: I forgot that last detail... Well, i won't link games to this guide then. However, i'll still working on it. [[User:EblfIYH|EblfIYH]] ([[User talk:EblfIYH|talk]]) 06:48, 16 May 2017 (CEST)
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::::: There should now be category pages for each configuration option that may be more appropriate to link to if you want to associate options with relevant titles. Though in some cases there may not be an exact match up due to multi-value settings. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 04:59, 20 May 2017 (CEST)
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:::: Eh, this is wiki, some random editors could be around to update whatever is outdated. Linking to a category and transform exhaustive list into concise information will help but going as far as linking to a specific game should be fine if there's no better way. Dolphin UI have improved over time and lot of obscure performance hit settings became redundant and removed, and I don't think people will have problem finding what settings in Dolphin configuration are performance hit nowadays. I feel that there are someone who still don't get what's the importance behind settings like AA/AF, so transforming this page into more general configuration guide and still point out performance hit settings seems like in good direction. [[User:Lucario|Lucario]] ([[User talk:Lucario|talk]]) 00:37, 21 May 2017 (CEST)
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::::: Understood, but our general experience has been that things are frequently slow to be updated. Particularly with things that are to be highly linked to, like this guide, we'd prefer to keep things aligned to reduce the need for frequent updates. The categories are likely to be more closely aligned with reality over time, without specific maintenance. In the case of one off titles I'd be more supportive of linking to them, though I'd generally prefer to instantiate new categories if necessary than linking to specific titles.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 07:24, 21 May 2017 (CEST)
  
  
This is a perfomance guide - not configuretion guide.
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== Performance Guide Deletion ==
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I see you went ahead and purged the Performance Guide but I noticed we caused issues on the main website! The Performance Guide still is on the list of Guides and now point to a deleted page and there's probably other places where this guide was linked too and they're broken as well... - [[User:mbc07|mbc07]] ([[User talk:mbc07|talk]]) 18:06, 30 January 2016 (CET)
  
== DSP  Sample Rate. ==
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I thought the general sentiment was that the former guide was too outdated to align well for the 5.0 release anyway. We can re-add some statement, which I believe generally is that out of the box settings are best for performance. Some general configuration guide would still be good to have, but I haven't seen a lot of commitment to create/maintain such. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 04:06, 31 January 2016 (CET)
With today's hardware, the difference in terms of speed between 32khz and 48khz should be negligible. It could be there for compatibility reasons.
 
*The performance difference is so small it's laughable. Any computer that could see a noticeable performance change from that setting is much too old to run dolphin. In my opinion, it shouldn't be listed on a narrow focused guide such as this. [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] 09:46, 7 August 2011 (CEST)
 
  
== Older Versions ==
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:It was *very* inappropriate to remove this without informing everyone or having a proper conversation about it! The prior discussion in April 2014 had settled on keeping it, and by removing it without informing anyone it violated the established discussion. But worse of all, I am very disappointed that something that affects the entire project was removed without talking to anyone inside or outside of the wiki. The devs learning about this from someone complaining about a dead link on our guides page is NOT how this project should be run! I'll send some PMs and make sure everyone is here to talk about it, we need to either remove the link from the main page or restore the guide ASAP! - [[User:MayImilae|MayImilae]] ([[User talk:MayImilae|talk]]) 09:53, 5 February 2016 (CET)
Should we really be suggesting users use older versions? That seems unwise. The idea throughout the pages is the best performance possible while maintaining the best emulation possible. And newer revisions provide a much better experience overall, with more games supported and fewer errors. I guess it goes back to the idea of what is this page supposed to be about.
 
  
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::I guess I'll start with reasons for keeping it. As silly as it was, the performance guide was one of our most trafficked guides. Users have a tendency to not believe that default settings are correct, and they don't think to look at the emulator tooltips for that information, they google or look at our guides page. They'd find our performance guide, and we served them that information. Now that we don't have a performance guide, they'll google one and get god knows what giving them HORRIBLE advice! As bad as it was, and as annoying as it was, it served a purpose. I think it should be restored, and fixed up for the 5.0 release. - [[User:MayImilae|MayImilae]] ([[User talk:MayImilae|talk]]) 10:54, 5 February 2016 (CET)
  
Again, it prefomance guide. If using older revisions give more speed - it must be mentioned.
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::: Sigh. We had requests from multiple people to purge it, and it was well known and agreed upon that it's content it very out of date. I've restored the page, but not it's images or other internal wiki links to it. It's even more of a mess due to that, but that's probably reflective of the state of it's content currently. I really hate having such unrefined and out of date content on the wiki, particularly since the guide seems to provides minimal useful info (i.e. that isn't already included in Dolphin tooltips). It all needs to be rewritten so I'm not clear that restoring this old version of it really provides any assistance for setting up a 5.0 aligned version. If we do rewrite it we should make it a 5.0 performance guide and no longer update it with dev updates (i.e. no updates till 6.0), trying to maintain alignment with dev changes over time becomes too much maintenance effort. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 17:22, 5 February 2016 (CET)
  
==Questionable Content==
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::: We'll never know if those million visitors were actually looking for recommended system requirements to play Dolphin smoothly. [[User:Lucario|Lucario]] ([[User talk:Lucario|talk]]) 19:14, 5 February 2016 (CET)
*According to my research, the JitIL Experimental Recompiler is only faster for some games, and is highly experimental and very unreliable. It shouldn't be recommended.
 
  
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:: Honestly I would just remove the linking on the main website and let this die. The problem I see with the guide in its current form is that it just duplicates what already is in Dolphin (in a very poor way, if you ask me) and the screenshots just makes the maintenance harder. Said that, if purging the guide really is not an option (I wish it was), my proposal is rewriting the guide to clearly inform the user that the default Dolphin options already are the best performance settings and that they can read Dolphin's tooltips/descriptions for more details of "what option X does" (we could go even further and state that there's no magical setting in Dolphin that will make it run great on a computer not meeting the system requirements -- that's the main reason to someone seek a performance guide, I think?). We could also expand the guide a little more by listing known non-default options that sacrifices accuracy in order to improve the speed but warning very clearly of the consequences (also explaining they won't get support on the forums with problems caused by using those settings, for example). In other words, in current state this guide is unfixable and I have no hope on it, even if we just update the current guide to align with recent versions (or even if we make it a "5.0 stable only" guide) because it'll inevitably become the same mess in future, so, I'm in favour of either letting it die or doing a complete redesign. - [[User:mbc07|mbc07]] ([[User talk:mbc07|talk]]) 19:51, 5 February 2016 (CET)
  
If you say's what it faster - it must be here.
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:::I would like nothing more than to see it go. :( But it is heavily trafficked, and the number of "performance guides" I've seen floating about the internet is very alarming. Honestly the only thing I disagree on about any of this is how it was done. I am sorry to be the person that goes "this crap must stay!", I'd much rather be the one pushing for it's removal, but... such is the situation we're in. :/ Maybe this time we can try a different approach and make it better!- [[User:MayImilae|MayImilae]] ([[User talk:MayImilae|talk]]) 20:16, 5 February 2016 (CET)
  
 
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:::I'd generally prefer to provide general guidance around the various config settings, and not singularly focus on performance details. Provide some general statement on the "Performance Guide" page as indicated by mbc07 above (and previously by others) that default settings provide optimal performance and link to a more complete configuration guide for actual config details. Also, as indicated above, we should be cautious about documenting anything outside of what's in the 5.0 release. We go so long between releases it forces accounting for pre-release updates around the wiki, but the more we can avoid that the better. There were some config changes recently, so it's probably best that we held off updating things quite yet. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 07:23, 6 February 2016 (CET)
*"Set FrameLimit = OFF; and Enable Audio Throttle. Use Tab key for speedup. Note: will work only if you have spare CPU power." This article is about improving performance, helping people get to 100% speed. I don't think we should be using it as a place to tell people how to get the game to fast forward, especially when it uses the very confusing word "speedup", which is used elsewhere in this article to refer to making a game that is going less then 100% get closer to 100%.  
 
 
 
 
 
If user have enough CPU power - pressing TAB will increase speed - see title = more perfomance.
 
 
 
 
 
*"Overclocking - use for your own risk." This wiki has a long standing unspoken "rule" of keeping system issues off the wiki as much as possible. And it's very, very wise. We can't go telling people how to overclock or deal with them when their computer breaks. Best to just ignore it. Besides, we have a forum for that kinda of stuff.
 
 
 
Jusr mention what exist other alternatives.
 
 
 
*"The x64 versions of Dolphin is up to 3-7% faster then the x86 version, but you must have a x64 OS to use it." Ok, I'll admit this is a bit picky, but, this page is about configuring dolphin 3.0 and up to improve performance. Older versions, alternate versions, system improvements, on and on, are not within that. But since we are going to have a configuration guide anyway, we might want to expand this page to allow for broader performance improvements.
 
* "Disable AntiAliasing, Disable Anisotropic filtration, Disable Vertical Sync" Optional settings like this shouldn't be included, in my opinion. They are all means of increasing visual quality at the expense of performance. They have no performance advantages, they are always a drain. The article doesn't include each and every option available, only options for improving performance. While disabling them does improve performance, they would never have been on in the first place. We should only include options that improve performance, if we start going into optional stuff that is there at the players discresion for visual improvement, this will turn into the full list.
 
 
 
 
 
If emulation speed is slow because of slow GPU - it is samrt to disable all anisotropic and MSAA things.
 
 
 
*"Also, if your monitor has an aspect ratio of 16:10 or 5:4, you need to enable "Crop" on Advanced tab to remove the black borders" ---I don't think this belongs on the "Peformance Guide" since, correct me if I'm wrong, it has nothing to do with performance per se.[[User:DEnigma|DEnigma]] 17:32, 1 October 2011 (CEST)
 
 
 
== User comes and undo a revision. ==
 
 
 
95.81.220.234 came and undid a revision made to the page because
 
 
 
"If any tweak can increase speed it must be mentioned (even if it bad in some way's). That's all."
 
 
 
 
 
I'm all for having the best and broadest performance guide possible but if it can be undone because some kid is throwing a fit because it does not say what he wants it to say, I don't see this happening any time soon.
 

Latest revision as of 22:47, 20 July 2018

Quality Guide?

So we have this page describing settings for maximum performance. Should we add a page regarding settings for maximum graphics quality (AA, Antistropic, Resolution, Filtering, ...)? Kolano (talk) 18:16, 12 January 2014 (CET)

YES I'd love to see something like this. We can upload pics that will show various examples, like Anti-aliasing, resolution, and highlight performance impacts. In addition to this we could merge article DSP LLE to here as well. Oh, also add contents from these CPU Hierarchy Minimum Specs - video card Lucario (talk) 09:04, 11 March 2014 (CET)

Deletion Proposal

Recommended settings are already enabled by default in Dolphin emulator & it's preloaded with helpful dialogues. Nothing to see here. Lucario (talk) 06:57, 11 March 2014 (CET)

We know. Even though the fastest settings are just defaults, new users don't believe it. They insist that the defaults have to be bad and there has to be ways to speed the game up. It's crazy, but some people just have to see a "performance guide" before they'll believe something is actually faster. That's why this exists. - MayImilae (talk) 00:40, 18 April 2014 (CEST)
Also post twiddling settings it's good to have a guide to restore the defaults. Kolano (talk) 01:24, 18 April 2014 (CEST)
Makes sense. The first paragraph should be edited accordingly to what you've said earlier. Telling others that by using this guide even though they're already set as default is bit misleading and waste of their times. Lucario (talk) 01:51, 18 April 2014 (CEST)
Anyway, the guide is little bit bland. Why not we do something with previous topic above this? We can merge DSP LLE and other quality guides to here to make it more useful than just a guide how to reset back to default. Lucario (talk) 01:51, 18 April 2014 (CEST)
I'm against that. It's best to keep it separate and to the point. If you look at the history on the page, you'll note that there has been TONS of problems with people uploading random settings that make zero sense. It got so bad for so long it just had to be locked. Isolated like this, that can be contained here and leave the rest of the stuff open and available for editing, like what you did on the ripping guide. Besides, we tried merging. The Dolphin Manual fell through. Yes it's bland, yes it's kind of annoying to keep around (I have always said how much I hate this guide) but this really is the best option. - MayImilae (talk) 08:49, 18 April 2014 (CEST)
I agree with MayImilae. This guide is a mess, and there's no way of improving it (from my point of view). I prefer leaving this messy guide as it is now until something more appropriate is done (like finishing Dolphin Manual), no matter how long it takes... mbc07 (talk)

Err, bump? I think we should reeally get rid of this before 5.0. Most (if not all) the info present here is already baked in Dolphin's tooltips/config screens, not to mention it's not updated for a while, I see no point in maintaining this guide... - mbc07 (talk) 16:17, 30 January 2016 (CET)

That was what I was trying to say from the start. Though transforming this page into ELI5 quality guide with screenshots to show difference will be awesome, like what is Anisotropic filtering, anti-aliasing, regarding issues with dualcore, etc., with the addition of "you should leave settings default for the most optimal performance". Lucario (talk) 19:30, 8 November 2016 (CET)
I agree with Lucario, i think this guide should be redone to show differences between settings and when to activate them. EblfIYH (talk) 21:28, 14 May 2017 (CEST)
Currently working on remaking the page, anyone who wants to help is welcome. P.D I am remaking this as a config guide rather than a performance, so i suggest renaming this as "Configuration Guide" or "How to configurate Dolphin"EblfIYH (talk) 22:07, 14 May 2017 (CEST)
I've moved it. Will prevent me getting huffy every time coverage strays from performance details. Have fun. Kolano (talk) 04:56, 20 May 2017 (CEST)
I strongly oppose linking game pages into the guide like on the recent edit. Dolphin is always evolving and a game linked here might not need the mentioned setting in future. Regarding the naming, if we change it from "Performance Guide" to anything else, soon we'll have the same issue this guide miserably fails to address: users that think the default settings are slow and thus they think they need a performance guide (especially users on low-end machines)... - mbc07 (talk) 03:15, 16 May 2017 (CEST)
I forgot that last detail... Well, i won't link games to this guide then. However, i'll still working on it. EblfIYH (talk) 06:48, 16 May 2017 (CEST)
There should now be category pages for each configuration option that may be more appropriate to link to if you want to associate options with relevant titles. Though in some cases there may not be an exact match up due to multi-value settings. Kolano (talk) 04:59, 20 May 2017 (CEST)
Eh, this is wiki, some random editors could be around to update whatever is outdated. Linking to a category and transform exhaustive list into concise information will help but going as far as linking to a specific game should be fine if there's no better way. Dolphin UI have improved over time and lot of obscure performance hit settings became redundant and removed, and I don't think people will have problem finding what settings in Dolphin configuration are performance hit nowadays. I feel that there are someone who still don't get what's the importance behind settings like AA/AF, so transforming this page into more general configuration guide and still point out performance hit settings seems like in good direction. Lucario (talk) 00:37, 21 May 2017 (CEST)
Understood, but our general experience has been that things are frequently slow to be updated. Particularly with things that are to be highly linked to, like this guide, we'd prefer to keep things aligned to reduce the need for frequent updates. The categories are likely to be more closely aligned with reality over time, without specific maintenance. In the case of one off titles I'd be more supportive of linking to them, though I'd generally prefer to instantiate new categories if necessary than linking to specific titles.Kolano (talk) 07:24, 21 May 2017 (CEST)


Performance Guide Deletion

I see you went ahead and purged the Performance Guide but I noticed we caused issues on the main website! The Performance Guide still is on the list of Guides and now point to a deleted page and there's probably other places where this guide was linked too and they're broken as well... - mbc07 (talk) 18:06, 30 January 2016 (CET)

I thought the general sentiment was that the former guide was too outdated to align well for the 5.0 release anyway. We can re-add some statement, which I believe generally is that out of the box settings are best for performance. Some general configuration guide would still be good to have, but I haven't seen a lot of commitment to create/maintain such. Kolano (talk) 04:06, 31 January 2016 (CET)

It was *very* inappropriate to remove this without informing everyone or having a proper conversation about it! The prior discussion in April 2014 had settled on keeping it, and by removing it without informing anyone it violated the established discussion. But worse of all, I am very disappointed that something that affects the entire project was removed without talking to anyone inside or outside of the wiki. The devs learning about this from someone complaining about a dead link on our guides page is NOT how this project should be run! I'll send some PMs and make sure everyone is here to talk about it, we need to either remove the link from the main page or restore the guide ASAP! - MayImilae (talk) 09:53, 5 February 2016 (CET)
I guess I'll start with reasons for keeping it. As silly as it was, the performance guide was one of our most trafficked guides. Users have a tendency to not believe that default settings are correct, and they don't think to look at the emulator tooltips for that information, they google or look at our guides page. They'd find our performance guide, and we served them that information. Now that we don't have a performance guide, they'll google one and get god knows what giving them HORRIBLE advice! As bad as it was, and as annoying as it was, it served a purpose. I think it should be restored, and fixed up for the 5.0 release. - MayImilae (talk) 10:54, 5 February 2016 (CET)
Sigh. We had requests from multiple people to purge it, and it was well known and agreed upon that it's content it very out of date. I've restored the page, but not it's images or other internal wiki links to it. It's even more of a mess due to that, but that's probably reflective of the state of it's content currently. I really hate having such unrefined and out of date content on the wiki, particularly since the guide seems to provides minimal useful info (i.e. that isn't already included in Dolphin tooltips). It all needs to be rewritten so I'm not clear that restoring this old version of it really provides any assistance for setting up a 5.0 aligned version. If we do rewrite it we should make it a 5.0 performance guide and no longer update it with dev updates (i.e. no updates till 6.0), trying to maintain alignment with dev changes over time becomes too much maintenance effort. Kolano (talk) 17:22, 5 February 2016 (CET)
We'll never know if those million visitors were actually looking for recommended system requirements to play Dolphin smoothly. Lucario (talk) 19:14, 5 February 2016 (CET)
Honestly I would just remove the linking on the main website and let this die. The problem I see with the guide in its current form is that it just duplicates what already is in Dolphin (in a very poor way, if you ask me) and the screenshots just makes the maintenance harder. Said that, if purging the guide really is not an option (I wish it was), my proposal is rewriting the guide to clearly inform the user that the default Dolphin options already are the best performance settings and that they can read Dolphin's tooltips/descriptions for more details of "what option X does" (we could go even further and state that there's no magical setting in Dolphin that will make it run great on a computer not meeting the system requirements -- that's the main reason to someone seek a performance guide, I think?). We could also expand the guide a little more by listing known non-default options that sacrifices accuracy in order to improve the speed but warning very clearly of the consequences (also explaining they won't get support on the forums with problems caused by using those settings, for example). In other words, in current state this guide is unfixable and I have no hope on it, even if we just update the current guide to align with recent versions (or even if we make it a "5.0 stable only" guide) because it'll inevitably become the same mess in future, so, I'm in favour of either letting it die or doing a complete redesign. - mbc07 (talk) 19:51, 5 February 2016 (CET)
I would like nothing more than to see it go. :( But it is heavily trafficked, and the number of "performance guides" I've seen floating about the internet is very alarming. Honestly the only thing I disagree on about any of this is how it was done. I am sorry to be the person that goes "this crap must stay!", I'd much rather be the one pushing for it's removal, but... such is the situation we're in. :/ Maybe this time we can try a different approach and make it better!- MayImilae (talk) 20:16, 5 February 2016 (CET)
I'd generally prefer to provide general guidance around the various config settings, and not singularly focus on performance details. Provide some general statement on the "Performance Guide" page as indicated by mbc07 above (and previously by others) that default settings provide optimal performance and link to a more complete configuration guide for actual config details. Also, as indicated above, we should be cautious about documenting anything outside of what's in the 5.0 release. We go so long between releases it forces accounting for pre-release updates around the wiki, but the more we can avoid that the better. There were some config changes recently, so it's probably best that we held off updating things quite yet. Kolano (talk) 07:23, 6 February 2016 (CET)