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== 60 FPS hack == | == 60 FPS hack == | ||
Some random person keeps saying the 60 FPS hack doesn't work, but it does. I've tested it twice now to reassure that. Patches + Gecko codes are kind of hard to use so I believe a mistake was made somewhere in their setup. | Some random person keeps saying the 60 FPS hack doesn't work, but it does. I've tested it twice now to reassure that. Patches + Gecko codes are kind of hard to use so I believe a mistake was made somewhere in their setup. | ||
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::You had Enable Cheats disabled. Simple error. This is why bisecting and testing is super important. I've made the same mistakes (repeatedly) in the past too, so, yeah. It's no big deal just something to watch out for. - [[User:JMC4789|JMC4789]] ([[User talk:JMC4789|talk]]) 21:33, 13 May 2016 (CEST) | ::You had Enable Cheats disabled. Simple error. This is why bisecting and testing is super important. I've made the same mistakes (repeatedly) in the past too, so, yeah. It's no big deal just something to watch out for. - [[User:JMC4789|JMC4789]] ([[User talk:JMC4789|talk]]) 21:33, 13 May 2016 (CEST) | ||
== cave in level 3 == | |||
since i see no mention of this on the wiki - is it normal for the game not to load past the first couple of screens / hang up when entering the cave in level 3? both on 5.0 and latest builds. if so, how would i disable it before transitioning levels? and another thing, the game runs at 25 or 50fps, could anyone point me towards the setting at fault? --[[Special:Contributions/95.90.251.88|95.90.251.88]] 14:52, 15 June 2017 (CEST) | |||
: Unclear on the crash. Typically 50/25FPS means you are using a PAL release. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 18:03, 15 June 2017 (CEST) | |||
== | == Heatwave problem == | ||
For some reason, my addition to the wiki (writing that disabling 'Scaled EFB Copy' causes the heat effect to become really ugly) was removed. ? | |||
Because it causes it to render at 1x IR, which is correct to console. Scaled EFB Copies is an enhancement, and it causes it to render at higher resolution. | |||
[[User:JMC4789|JMC4789]] ([[User talk:JMC4789|talk]]) 19:40, 18 August 2016 (CEST) | |||
: As noted in the pictures below, the blurriness is how the image appears on real hardware. The image is not emulated properly if the heat wave effect is not present. - [[User:Flang|Flang]] 14:03, 22 August 2016 (CST) | |||
== Concerns == | |||
[[ | A few concerns here... | ||
* "Turning Works Improperly" is only a problem with non-default settings and thus likely shouldn't appear. | |||
* Unclear on our recommendation for Scaled EFB copies, when On the edges of the goo appear blocky; turning it off corrects for that but makes almost everything in the scene blurry due to the depth of field effect. Since neither case really breaks anything I've just removed the recommendation for now. | |||
[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 18:16, 23 July 2016 (CEST) | |||
: I've reinserted the change to recommend Scaled EFB Copy disabled after testing the game on a Wii Console. The blurriness that appears with Scaled EFB Copy disabled is accurate emulation. See comparison images: | |||
{{image|Super Mario Sunshine on Wii console.jpeg|Real hardware (smooth goo, blurry distance actors)|width=200}} | |||
{{image|Super Mario Sunshine 'Scaled EFB Copy' enabled - 1x IR.png|Dolphin at 1x IR, Scaled EFB Copy on (smooth goo, blurry distance actors - proper)|width=200}} | |||
{{image|Super Mario Sunshine 'Scaled EFB Copy' disabled - 1x IR.png|Dolphin at 1x IR, Scaled EFB Copy off (smooth goo, blurry distance actors - proper)|width=200}} | |||
{{image|Super Mario Sunshine 'Scaled EFB Copy' enabled - 4x IR.png|Dolphin at 4x IR, Scaled EFB Copy on (blocky goo, clear distance actors - improper)|width=200}} | |||
{{image|Super Mario Sunshine 'Scaled EFB Copy' disabled - 4x IR.png|Dolphin at 4x IR, Scaled EFB Copy off (smooth goo, blurry distance actors - proper)|width=200|br}} | |||
: First picture is from real hardware, followed by Dolphin comparisons. Scaled EFB Copy does not cause any problems at 1x internal resolution, but with increased resolution, the edges of the goo become jagged and the heat effect becomes unnaturally clear compared to how it looks on real hardware. - [[User:Flang|Flang]] 15:14, 24 July 2016 (CST) | |||
I | Wow, so you're actually saying the blurry heat effect BELONGS to the game? It looks so ugly. It's almost unplayable for me. Mario 64 looks amazing in comparison. I watched a bit on Youtube, and I saw (real GBC footage) that the heat effect actually was like with Scaled EFB enabled. | ||
Revision as of 18:03, 15 June 2017
60 FPS hack
Some random person keeps saying the 60 FPS hack doesn't work, but it does. I've tested it twice now to reassure that. Patches + Gecko codes are kind of hard to use so I believe a mistake was made somewhere in their setup.
We need some kind of way to validate/test codes so one person doesn't go and make incorrect reversions.
JMC4789 (talk) 19:52, 12 May 2016 (CEST)
They reverted my change again. Can we block them from the page.
- Proof:
- 162.216.46.109 18:03, 13 May 2016 (CEST)
cave in level 3
since i see no mention of this on the wiki - is it normal for the game not to load past the first couple of screens / hang up when entering the cave in level 3? both on 5.0 and latest builds. if so, how would i disable it before transitioning levels? and another thing, the game runs at 25 or 50fps, could anyone point me towards the setting at fault? --95.90.251.88 14:52, 15 June 2017 (CEST)
- Unclear on the crash. Typically 50/25FPS means you are using a PAL release. Kolano (talk) 18:03, 15 June 2017 (CEST)
Heatwave problem
For some reason, my addition to the wiki (writing that disabling 'Scaled EFB Copy' causes the heat effect to become really ugly) was removed. ?
Because it causes it to render at 1x IR, which is correct to console. Scaled EFB Copies is an enhancement, and it causes it to render at higher resolution.
JMC4789 (talk) 19:40, 18 August 2016 (CEST)
- As noted in the pictures below, the blurriness is how the image appears on real hardware. The image is not emulated properly if the heat wave effect is not present. - Flang 14:03, 22 August 2016 (CST)
Concerns
A few concerns here...
- "Turning Works Improperly" is only a problem with non-default settings and thus likely shouldn't appear.
- Unclear on our recommendation for Scaled EFB copies, when On the edges of the goo appear blocky; turning it off corrects for that but makes almost everything in the scene blurry due to the depth of field effect. Since neither case really breaks anything I've just removed the recommendation for now.
Kolano (talk) 18:16, 23 July 2016 (CEST)
- I've reinserted the change to recommend Scaled EFB Copy disabled after testing the game on a Wii Console. The blurriness that appears with Scaled EFB Copy disabled is accurate emulation. See comparison images:
- First picture is from real hardware, followed by Dolphin comparisons. Scaled EFB Copy does not cause any problems at 1x internal resolution, but with increased resolution, the edges of the goo become jagged and the heat effect becomes unnaturally clear compared to how it looks on real hardware. - Flang 15:14, 24 July 2016 (CST)
Wow, so you're actually saying the blurry heat effect BELONGS to the game? It looks so ugly. It's almost unplayable for me. Mario 64 looks amazing in comparison. I watched a bit on Youtube, and I saw (real GBC footage) that the heat effect actually was like with Scaled EFB enabled.