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[[User:Kimishima|Kimishima]] ([[User talk:Kimishima|talk]]) 10:51, 8 August 2018 (CEST)
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== Category:Google (Publisher) deleted ==
== Triforce rating ==
Why did you delete this category? [[User:Flacs|Flacs]] ([[User talk:Flacs|talk]]) 21:50, 7 June 2020 (CEST)
I see that you think that Triforce games should be rated 1 star because they are broken on master. While that is technically true, the same can be said about any other game not for Wii/GC. But just like any other console which is not Wii/GC, the master branch of Dolphin doesn't emulate the Triforce and because the wiki is inline with master I think they shouldn't be rated at all.[[User:Miksel12|Miksel12]] ([[User talk:Miksel12|talk]]) 13:51, 30 Dec 2020 (CEST)


Because it was empty and I was unaware of any product published by Google. Though looking at the [[YouTube Channel]] we fail to capture a dev / publisher there, where it may be appropriate. Even so, that may only populate the Google (Developer) category. It's weird cause we so inconsistently capture the dev / publisher info for channels, I believe likely due to it being difficult to determine for most of them, since info on the channels isn't tracked similarly to games on external sites. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 05:58, 8 June 2020 (CEST)
: This has already been discussed in the past, and is partially why the ratings for all those pages are locked. We understand it's been a long time since any progress has been made on Triforce emulation. The Triforce pages should probably be purged from the wiki, but folks have wanted to preserve them since Dolphin provides the only current path to emulate these titles, even if no longer supported on master. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 08:03, 31 December 2020 (CET)


== Dualcore reporting ==
::I don't think the pages should be purged, like you said, Dolphin is the only way to emulate them. But by rating them against master, one would assume Triforce is emulated on master and it gives a wrong impression of which games are actually 'broken' (which are 5 games) and which games are from a machine not emulated (which are 15 games). So I would give the Triforce games 0 stars and keep the pages with a link to the Triforce branch.[[User:Miksel12|Miksel12]] ([[User talk:Miksel12|talk]]) 14:15, 31 Dec 2020 (CEST)
Small question, as of current whenever i find a dualcore issue i write it here and create a bug tracker issue for them. Considering that they are just duplicate issues of the whole dualcore problem, should i just mention them in my edits on the wiki, and not create issues on the bug tracker for them, or do both.
 
: It's generally best to do both. Though for dual-core there is an issue on the bug tracker that all of them eventually get rolled into that can be referenced instead, {{Issue|7143}}. If a title is not already listed there you can probably just mention it in that issues comments rather than opening an extra issue. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 01:59, 21 June 2020 (CEST)
 
== M&Ms ==
Try searching on european and australian ebay and you'll find nothing. Here's also an archive of QVS's site that doesn't list the game for release in its supposed release month. I wouldn't blindly trust wikipedia and gamefaqs. https://web.archive.org/web/20071017085043/http://qvsoftware.com.au/products/release_schedule.asp --[[User:PPLToast|PPLToast]] ([[User talk:PPLToast|talk]]) 17:08, 11 July 2020 (CEST)
 
:Yeah, it's mainly that we have a GameID for it, RMWP20, that seemingly indicates it's was released somewhere in EU (unless someone just made it up based on the GameID patterns). GameTDB also seems to have fairly complete details indicating it came out in Britain, Spain and the Netherlands; though with a significantly later release date than elsewhere, 2008-6-6. There seem to be many places listing it online...
 
:*https://www.gametdb.com/Wii/RMWP20
:*https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/wii/942032-mms-kart-racing/data
:*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%26M%27s_Kart_Racing
:*https://gist.github.com/gingerbeardman/fad935396096f0c058c2547312ec4e3f Indicates it doesn't support 16:9 rendering
:*http://crysweb.altervista.org/wiigameids/
 
:And here's apparently a copy of it on sale in the Netherlands: https://www.retronintendokopen.nl/nintendo-wii/complete-games/mms-kart-racing
 
::The 4:3 info comes from vWii's [https://wiki.mariocube.com/index.php/43DB 43DB] which only lists the first 3 letters. It also includes titles like "ROO" which was a port of Odama for Wii that never came out. That github list says it takes info from Dolphin which I presume refers to the region. Thus it can't be used as a source. The Dutch site says the game is out of stock (voorraad) so that's a no go too.
 
::Finally there's Zoo Digital's own site. Their release schedule has the game in this [https://web.archive.org/web/20080208135421/http://www.zoodigitalpublishing.com:80/page.php?id=8 February 2008 capture] and by October it's nowhere to be seen. Certainly possible it released in between as we lack captures for those months. That said, their list of [https://web.archive.org/web/20080912213840/http://www.zoodigitalpublishing.com:80/platform.php?platform=12 Wii products] doesn't list it either and it's from ''September''. I'd wager Zoo saw how poorly the game did in the US and decided to can the release at the last minute. That said, if Zoo did release the game, surely the publisher ID would've changed for Europe? To my knowledge DSI Games did no publishing in Europe and instead left all that to Zoo who they seemed to work with anyway [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destination_Software_Inc. before being acquired and rebranded] by GreenScreen Interactive Software. --[[User:PPLToast|PPLToast]] ([[User talk:PPLToast|talk]]) 00:37, 13 July 2020 (CEST)
 
::: OK, I relent. There is a bit too much false info about this title online then though. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 01:26, 13 July 2020 (CEST)

Revision as of 07:46, 17 May 2021

Regions and Games

1. Should we add regional names to the Gamecube game list if there are differences? (English, Japanese, French...)

Generally yes, though we may want avoid doing so in the case of exact translations to avoid listing 5+ EU translations of each name. Kolano (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2018 (CEST)
Okay (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2018 (CEST)

2. Should we all regional names to the wiki pages if there are differences?

Again, generally yes, but be cautious of listing exact translations. Kolano (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2018 (CEST)
Alright (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2018 (CEST)

3. Should we add regions like French (FR), Spanish(SP) etc. to the 'vgrelease' list for possible different release dates and country exclusive releases?

Generally we just list the earliest EU release date, but may want to consider listing more dates when there are differences. Would be good to understand how frequently such comes up. Such would also likely require rewriting how some of the vgrelease template logic works. Kolano (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2018 (CEST)
I will contact you when I have a complete list of dates. (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2018 (CEST)
It's really easy to add/remove regions from {{vgrelease}} so I added SP/FR for you. It doesn't affect any current pages to add them either. You can see it in the infobox on Dummy Page if you want. We might also want to do a generic year (and month) under "EU" alongside those and NL with more regions but idk it seems kind of pointless. That requires knowing separate release dates for French and Spanish releases though and I think only GameTDB has dates for particular regions in Europe? GameFAQS just says EU as far as I remember. - Xerxes (talk) 09:57, 11 August 2018 (CEST)
Aren't there also German specific releases (and perhaps a few others)? Kolano (talk) 09:59, 11 August 2018 (CEST)
Yeah we could match the regions in GameIDs with the regions in vgrelease, but that would take a long time to sort through all the IDs again and I'm lazy. - Xerxes (talk) 10:05, 11 August 2018 (CEST)
I added Germany, Italy, Scandinavia, and Taiwan/Hong Kong/Macau too. - Xerxes (talk) 10:29, 11 August 2018 (CEST)
Thank you for the effort! There are lots of old gaming magazines out there with release dates of the Gamecube era. I know some German websites I can search on. I can figure out other countries thanks to google translator. I figured some Korean and Japanese dates out with that method. One '2 in 1 Games' collection for the Gamecube is a German exclusive (The one with only one GID). Kimishima (talk) 15:49, 11 August 2018 (CEST)
It should be possible to use some dpl rules to quickly generate lists of titles with region specific GameIDs (refer the "Samples" column on the GameIDs page), which should allow titles needing edits to be quickly identified; though finding all the appropriate dates may still be a pain. 18:00, 11 August 2018 (CEST)

D Germany

RCDD52, SC7D52, RJAD52, RWAD78, GFSD69, G6FD69, GCQD7D, GNED78, GHKD7D, GO7D69, GOWD69, GNDD69, G9TD52, GUTD52, GQSDAF, GT3D52, RSND69, SSDDRV, SSWDRM, SGWD7K, GLSD64, G9RD7D, RUQD78, SQUDX3, GRFD78, RSCD7D, STVDSV, GSXD64, GUCD69, SSEDNG, GUGD69, SJXD41, GYWDE9, GSWD64, R59D4Q, SGODKP, RPTD52, SONDMR, GC3D78, GKJD78, SFRDRV, SGJDSV, RB9D78, SSCDWR, SA9D7K, SCQDRV, SUYDRV, SHGDRM, SPMDRM, SOBD7K, GGVD78, GYAD78, SG6DSV, RNSD69, GEND69, STTDRM, SPYDSV, GDED71, GMKD5D, SD8DSV, GKLD69, RZJD69, GSMD52, R4DDUS, SUZD7K, SK8D52, SD3DSV, GBWD64, RLADMR, SGQDSV, SG3DSV, GU3D78, SM8D52, G2CD52, GLCD52, GAZD69, GGRD41, G3RD52, RXDD4Q, NAKD01, NAND01, WGSD08, JA7D01, JADD01, JAZD01, JB3D01, JBDD01, JCLD01, R58DMR, R5YD78, RMNDFR, RVYD52, G2FD78, G3AD69, G3FD69, G4FD69, GBHDC8, GDID7D, GF4D52, GF5D69, GF6D69, GFAD69, GFDD69, GH4D69, GH5D52, GHCD4Q, GHMD4F, GICD78, GIHD78, GJKD52, GJUD78, GK2D52, GKZD54, GL8D4F, GLOD69, GLRD64, GLVD4Q, GLZD69, GM5D7D, GMFD69, GMWD52, GO2D4F, GOND69, GOYD69, GPHD52, GPLD9G, GQCD52, GQQD78, GR6D78, GR8D69, GS2D78, GT4D52, GTKD51, GU2D78, GUMD52, GVLD69, GW5D69, GW7D69, GWAD8P, GX2D52, GXFD69, S32DJW, GCOD52, GJND78, GQ4D78, RWFD41, RYLDSV, S33DKM, S34DKM, SHEDRM, SKLDSV, SL7DML, SP6DSV, SU3DMR, SFLDSV, JAFD01, W2GD08, W3GD08, HC2DAX, SL5DKM, JDZD01, RW4D41

(Good source for dates: https://www.gamepro.de/nintendo/spiele/gc/hulk/33230.html <= Hulk is the example)

I have a small question. I saw you changed my GE edits to DE, which I am personally all for. Why do GE and DE redirect you to the German page? As on the Dummy Page. Seems funny to me. EDIT: DE made problems on 2 Games in 1: The Incredibles / Finding Nemo: maximum number of loops has been performed.

Looks like I had missed a few GE references that needed to be revised to DE. Kolano (talk) 00:37, 14 August 2018 (CEST)
Thanks for fixing it. Kimishima (talk) 20:01, 14 August 2018 (CEST)
Could you delete Template:Ratings/All-Star Baseball 2003 (it's now Template:Ratings/All-Star Baseball 2003 featuring Derek Jeter) and Template:Ratings/All-Star Baseball 2004 (it's now Template:Ratings/All-Star Baseball 2004 featuring Derek Jeter), thanks in advance. Kimishima (talk) 10:50, 18 August 2018 (CEST)

F France

SC7F52, G6FF69, GCOF52, GQCF52, GHCF4Q, G9RF7D, GF4F52, GF6F69, GXFF69, GAZF69, GHMF4F, GICF78, GO7F69, G3AF69, GMHF52, GR8F69, GM5F7D, GUGF69, G3RF52, GK2F52, GJKF52, GSWF64, GLRF64, GJUF78, G3FF69, GT4F52, GXMF52, GQSFAF, RXKFGL, RRUFRT, GW5F69, GLSF64, G9TF52, SERF4Q, GQFFFK, GL8F4F, R54FMR, RVEFMR, RVXFRT, RW5F41, RRJFMR, RT6FKM, RJ9FMR, SVXF52, RXHF5D, R6DFJW, RFYFMR, GXQF41, GU2F78, GLLF78, RITFMR, SQUFX3, RPAF70, RLNFMR, GENF69, GOWF69, GT3F52, GCQF7D, GO2F4F, RNSF69, GONF69, SONFMR, STIFKM, R57FMR, SM8F52, GLCF52, GSXF64, RSNF69, GUTF52, GRUF78, NAKF01, NANF01, WGSF08, FA8F01, JA7F01, JADF01, JCLF01, R55F41, R58FMR, R7TFJW, REAF69, REWFMR, RGFF69, RJ7FWP, RMXF78, RQ9F69, RT7F69, RTUFKM, RVTFMR, R7YFMR, G2FF78, G4FF69, GBHFC8, GBWF64, GC3F78, GDEF71, GF5F69, GFAF69, GFDF69, GFIF69, GH4F69, GH5F52, GHKF7D, GHUF7D, GKJF78, GKLF69, GKZF54, GLOF69, GLVF4Q, GLZF69, GMFF69, GMWF52, GNDF69, GNEF78, GOYF69, GPHF52, GPLF9G, GQ4F78, GQQF78, GR6F78, GRFF78, GS2F78, GSMF52, GUCF69, GVLF69, GW7F69, GWAF8P, S33FKM, S32FJW, GFSF69, RZYF41, RWNF70, RWFF41, S34FKM, SSCFPM, SU3FMR, SUSFMR, JAFF01, GIHF78, GBDF7D, SL5FKM, JDZF01, W2GF08, W3GF08

(Good source for dates: http://www.jeuxvideo.com/jeux/gamecube-ngc/00010773-hulk.htm <= Hulk is the example)

H Netherlands

SPWHZH, GAZH69, RL2HMR, RLNHMR, RMNHMN, RTEHMR, GF5H69, GF6H69, GGZH52, GH4H69, GICH78, GKJH78, GQQH78, GF4H52, RJ9HMN, RWFH41, SU3HMR

I Italy

SC7I52, GQSIAF, RIAI52, SVXI52, SM8I52, GAZI69, GSWI64, GUTI52, NAKI01, WGSI08, RGFI69, RLNIMR, RRJIMR, RUQI78, G9TI52, GF4I52, GF5I69, GFAI69, GGZI52, GH4I69, GKLI69, GLOI69, GMFI69, GQCI52, GXFI69, SK8I52, GF6I69, R58IMR, RRMI69, SB7IVU, SIAI52, SK4I52, SSCIPM, W2GI08, W3GI08, JODIHB

K Korea

SFWK69, RUUK01, RYWK01, RVYK52, RCOKZF, R6BK78, RF8K69, RF9K69, R4RK69, RGHK52, RZDK01, RWSK01, RMCK01, RM8K01, SMNK01, RNHK8M, RY2K41, RD2K41, RSXK69, RMGK01, R8PK01, R9OK69, RVKKZA, RWAK78, RODK01, R64K01, RSPK01, RZTK01, RTZK08, RY3K41, RFPK01, SB4K01, RBKK69, RK5K01, R96KAF, RSBK01, SOUK01, RFQK69, HACK01, RHAK01, SUPK01, RH6K69, SUKK01, HABK01, SQKK01, S22K01, SK6KJD, RDXKA4, RTDK8M, RSSK52, R2PKZ4, RKAK8M, RTKK8M, RKFKZA, RNZK69, RMLK52, S7AKZA, SBDK08, RBUK08, SVMK01, RNPK69, RX9K69, RKPK52, RTFK52, SSQK01, RZPK01, R4QK01, R9IK01, RWLK01, SOMK01, SC8K01, SERK8M, S7AKWR, SJDK41, RSHK69, R9TK69, RSLKAF, RT8K69, R4CK69, RUSK78, SFWK13, SD2K41, SIIK01, ROLK01, FCYK01, HAVK01, HCFK01, HAYK01, RFNK01, RELKA4, RNWKAF, RYKK01, SL8K01, SROKZ5, GNEK78, GIJKC0, SROKQC, HCRK01, HAKK01, HALK01

R Russia

RY2R41, RMGR01, RWAR78, RFPR01, RVLRRW, R5IR4Q, RXDR4Q, RF9R69, RLUR4Q, RUER4Q, SCYR4Q, STSR4Q

S Spain

GQSSAF, SU3SMR, SV6SRV, RC4SGT, SM8S52, SC7S52, GUTS52, GMFS69, RV7SMR, GBWS64, R8IS78, SACSVS, GLCS52, GSWS64, NAKS01, R58SMR, RGFS69, RQ9S69, RUQS78, G3AS69, G3FS69, GAZS69, GBDS7D, GENS69, GF5S69, GF6S69, GFAS69, GGZS52, GH4S69, GHKS7D, GKJS78, GKLS69, GLOS69, GNES78, GO7S69, GOYS69, GQCS52, GSXS64, GX2S52, GXFS69, GF4S52, RZYS41, RWFS41, S33SKM, S34SKM, SBVS78, SSCSPM, RELS01, W2GS08, W3GS08, WGSS08, RELS8P

(Good source: http://www.meristation.com.mx/gamecube/the-hulk/juego/1512176 and https://as.com/meristation/plataformas/gamecube/juegos/)

U Australia

R6KU36, RWAU78, D43U01, SIUUNG, SAFUHS, SS6UHS, SS7URN, D4BU01, SBSURN, SESUWR, RM2U69, GAFU01, SS4UWR, RPFU52, RSCU7D, G97U01, GPAU01, SS3UWR, STAU78, SU3UMR, D95U01, D93U01, D87U01, WHPUGL

V Scandinavia

SK8V52, SSEVNG, SERV4Q, RKPV52, RU5V4Q

W Taiwan / Hong Kong / Macau

SB4W01, RSPW01, SMNW01, RFNW01, SSQW01, RZTW01, RHAW01, RFPW01, D43W01, RLWW78, GEDW01, GP5W01, VIEW08
Perfect! Thank you! Kimishima (talk) 10:29, 12 August 2018 (CEST)

4. Should we alter the 'CompatListHeader' to include French (FR), Spanish (SP), Swedish (SW), Netherlandish (NE), Italian (IT) and German (GE)?

I think there are likely a few others to include, refer GameIDs#Region_Code, but I also think Dolphin generally lumps many of those under it's EU label (i.e. I believe they get an EU flag banner in the UI). This wouldn't just be about updating that template as we'd also need to break things out differently in the Region column of each title list, which will be significant effort that we may want to avoid. Kolano (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2018 (CEST)
Dolphin separates them. A German game will show a German flag, French games the French flag etc. (with [these] codes. Here a picture (Uploaded to Twitter) Kimishima (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2018 (CEST)

Kimishima (talk) 10:51, 8 August 2018 (CEST)

Triforce rating

I see that you think that Triforce games should be rated 1 star because they are broken on master. While that is technically true, the same can be said about any other game not for Wii/GC. But just like any other console which is not Wii/GC, the master branch of Dolphin doesn't emulate the Triforce and because the wiki is inline with master I think they shouldn't be rated at all.Miksel12 (talk) 13:51, 30 Dec 2020 (CEST)

This has already been discussed in the past, and is partially why the ratings for all those pages are locked. We understand it's been a long time since any progress has been made on Triforce emulation. The Triforce pages should probably be purged from the wiki, but folks have wanted to preserve them since Dolphin provides the only current path to emulate these titles, even if no longer supported on master. Kolano (talk) 08:03, 31 December 2020 (CET)
I don't think the pages should be purged, like you said, Dolphin is the only way to emulate them. But by rating them against master, one would assume Triforce is emulated on master and it gives a wrong impression of which games are actually 'broken' (which are 5 games) and which games are from a machine not emulated (which are 15 games). So I would give the Triforce games 0 stars and keep the pages with a link to the Triforce branch.Miksel12 (talk) 14:15, 31 Dec 2020 (CEST)