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== Triforce rating ==
Don't know if you're aware but I tried making two (now three with this message) edits today and both of them returned an error and are not appearing on the Recent Changes page, though the edits are being saved. See [https://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=GameIDs&diff=169587&oldid=169086 here] and [https://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=User:Xerxes&diff=169588&oldid=166092 here] for my recent edits. I don't know if you'll need to rollback or what but I thought I should tell you. - [[User:Xerxes|Xerxes]] ([[User talk:Xerxes|talk]]) 22:00, 23 October 2019 (CEST)
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I see that you think that Triforce games should be rated 1 star because they are broken on master. While that is technically true, the same can be said about any other game not for Wii/GC. But just like any other console which is not Wii/GC, the master branch of Dolphin doesn't emulate the Triforce and because the wiki is inline with master I think they shouldn't be rated at all.[[User:Miksel12|Miksel12]] ([[User talk:Miksel12|talk]]) 13:51, 30 Dec 2020 (CEST)
  
: I fixed the issue, it was caused by enabling HTTP caching support in Mediawiki yesterday and missing that it needs the PHP sockets extension also enabled. Let me know (via IRC or email preferably) if there are any other new issues of the kind. --[[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 11:51, 24 October 2019 (CEST)
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: This has already been discussed in the past, and is partially why the ratings for all those pages are locked. We understand it's been a long time since any progress has been made on Triforce emulation. The Triforce pages should probably be purged from the wiki, but folks have wanted to preserve them since Dolphin provides the only current path to emulate these titles, even if no longer supported on master. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 08:03, 31 December 2020 (CET)
  
::Thanks! Trying it now. - [[User:Xerxes|Xerxes]] ([[User talk:Xerxes|talk]]) 20:12, 24 October 2019 (CEST)
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::I don't think the pages should be purged, like you said, Dolphin is the only way to emulate them. But by rating them against master, one would assume Triforce is emulated on master and it gives a wrong impression of which games are actually 'broken' (which are 5 games) and which games are from a machine not emulated (which are 15 games). So I would give the Triforce games 0 stars and keep the pages with a link to the Triforce branch.[[User:Miksel12|Miksel12]] ([[User talk:Miksel12|talk]]) 14:15, 31 Dec 2020 (CEST)

Latest revision as of 14:15, 31 December 2020

Regions and Games

1. Should we add regional names to the Gamecube game list if there are differences? (English, Japanese, French...)

Generally yes, though we may want avoid doing so in the case of exact translations to avoid listing 5+ EU translations of each name. Kolano (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2018 (CEST)
Okay (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2018 (CEST)

2. Should we all regional names to the wiki pages if there are differences?

Again, generally yes, but be cautious of listing exact translations. Kolano (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2018 (CEST)
Alright (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2018 (CEST)

3. Should we add regions like French (FR), Spanish(SP) etc. to the 'vgrelease' list for possible different release dates and country exclusive releases?

Generally we just list the earliest EU release date, but may want to consider listing more dates when there are differences. Would be good to understand how frequently such comes up. Such would also likely require rewriting how some of the vgrelease template logic works. Kolano (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2018 (CEST)
I will contact you when I have a complete list of dates. (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2018 (CEST)
It's really easy to add/remove regions from {{vgrelease}} so I added SP/FR for you. It doesn't affect any current pages to add them either. You can see it in the infobox on Dummy Page if you want. We might also want to do a generic year (and month) under "EU" alongside those and NL with more regions but idk it seems kind of pointless. That requires knowing separate release dates for French and Spanish releases though and I think only GameTDB has dates for particular regions in Europe? GameFAQS just says EU as far as I remember. - Xerxes (talk) 09:57, 11 August 2018 (CEST)
Aren't there also German specific releases (and perhaps a few others)? Kolano (talk) 09:59, 11 August 2018 (CEST)
Yeah we could match the regions in GameIDs with the regions in vgrelease, but that would take a long time to sort through all the IDs again and I'm lazy. - Xerxes (talk) 10:05, 11 August 2018 (CEST)
I added Germany, Italy, Scandinavia, and Taiwan/Hong Kong/Macau too. - Xerxes (talk) 10:29, 11 August 2018 (CEST)
Thank you for the effort! There are lots of old gaming magazines out there with release dates of the Gamecube era. I know some German websites I can search on. I can figure out other countries thanks to google translator. I figured some Korean and Japanese dates out with that method. One '2 in 1 Games' collection for the Gamecube is a German exclusive (The one with only one GID). Kimishima (talk) 15:49, 11 August 2018 (CEST)
It should be possible to use some dpl rules to quickly generate lists of titles with region specific GameIDs (refer the "Samples" column on the GameIDs page), which should allow titles needing edits to be quickly identified; though finding all the appropriate dates may still be a pain. 18:00, 11 August 2018 (CEST)

D Germany

SJXD41, SC7D52, RCDD52, GKLD69, RNSD69, GHKD7D, GBWD64, GEND69, GOWD69, SUYDRV, JCLD01, SPYDSV, G6FD69, SM8D52, GUGD69, GYWDE9, STTDRM, GRFD78, STVDSV, GUCD69, GT3D52, GSMD52, R4DDUS, NAKD01, RLADMR, SUZD7K, SL5DKM, JDZD01, SGWD7K, RZJD69, NAND01, SOBD7K, WGSD08, GLCD52, JA7D01, RPTD52, GCOD52, GDED71, JADD01, GNED78, R5YD78, GGRD41, SONDMR, JB3D01, SG6DSV, RJAD52, R58DMR, GLSD64, GFSD69, GAZD69, GKJD78, GYAD78, GNDD69, GMKD5D, SGJDSV, RB9D78, SSCDWR, GCQD7D, G9RD7D, SPMDRM, JAZD01, SD8DSV, SA9D7K, RVYD52, SFRDRV, RSND69, SG3DSV, SGQDSV, JBDD01, SQUDX3, R59D4Q, SSDDRV, SCQDRV, G2FD78, G3FD69, G3AD69, G4FD69, GQSDAF, GU3D78, G3RD52, GO7D69, GBHDC8, GDID7D, GF4D52, GQ4D78, GF5D69, GF6D69, GFAD69, GFDD69, GJND78, GH4D69, GH5D52, GHCD4Q, GJKD52, RUQD78, GICD78, GHMD4F, G2CD52, GJUD78, GIHD78, SHGDRM, GK2D52, GKZD54, GLOD69, GL8D4F, GLVD4Q, GLRD64, GLZD69, GM5D7D, GMFD69, GMWD52, GO2D4F, SSWDRM, GOND69, GOYD69, SD3DSV, GPLD9G, SFLDSV, GQCD52, SGODKP, GPHD52, GQQD78, RXDD4Q, GS2D78, GR8D69, GR6D78, GU2D78, GTKD51, GVLD69, GW5D69, GUMD52, GWAD8P, GGVD78, GW7D69, GX2D52, GXFD69, SK8D52, SSEDNG, GUTD52, RWAD78, RSCD7D, GSXD64, GC3D78, RWFD41, G9TD52, JAFD01, W2GD08, W3GD08, RYLDSV, S33DKM, S34DKM, S32DJW, SHEDRM, SKLDSV, SL7DML, SP6DSV, SU3DMR, GT4D52, HC2DAX, GSWD64, RMNDFR

(Good source for dates: https://www.gamepro.de/nintendo/spiele/gc/hulk/33230.html <= Hulk is the example)

I have a small question. I saw you changed my GE edits to DE, which I am personally all for. Why do GE and DE redirect you to the German page? As on the Dummy Page. Seems funny to me. EDIT: DE made problems on 2 Games in 1: The Incredibles / Finding Nemo: maximum number of loops has been performed.

Looks like I had missed a few GE references that needed to be revised to DE. Kolano (talk) 00:37, 14 August 2018 (CEST)
Thanks for fixing it. Kimishima (talk) 20:01, 14 August 2018 (CEST)
Could you delete Template:Ratings/All-Star Baseball 2003 (it's now Template:Ratings/All-Star Baseball 2003 featuring Derek Jeter) and Template:Ratings/All-Star Baseball 2004 (it's now Template:Ratings/All-Star Baseball 2004 featuring Derek Jeter), thanks in advance. Kimishima (talk) 10:50, 18 August 2018 (CEST)

F France

REWFMR, RFYFMR, NANF01, GLCF52, GXQF41, GENF69, GLSF64, GF5F69, RLNFMR, RGFF69, GQCF52, GF6F69, GXFF69, GICF78, GMHF52, GUGF69, RPAF70, SERF4Q, GHMF4F, G6FF69, SONFMR, GHCF4Q, GT3F52, SM8F52, GOWF69, SVXF52, R54FMR, G3AF69, GR8F69, GF4F52, NAKF01, STIFKM, RNSF69, GBDF7D, WGSF08, SC7F52, GAZF69, RXKFGL, GO7F69, RITFMR, GLLF78, GO2F4F, SQUFX3, JA7F01, GCOF52, JADF01, GJKF52, GQFFFK, JCLF01, RVEFMR, R55F41, R58FMR, GCQF7D, RJ7FWP, GRUF78, GU2F78, SL5FKM, GXMF52, R6DFJW, R7TFJW, G9RF7D, G9TF52, RW5F41, G3RF52, GIHF78, RRJFMR, RT6FKM, RJ9FMR, RTUFKM, G3FF69, RXHF5D, REAF69, R57FMR, GW5F69, RQ9F69, GH4F69, FA8F01, GSWF64, RVTFMR, GLRF64, R7YFMR, G2FF78, G4FF69, GBHFC8, GBWF64, GDEF71, GC3F78, RT7F69, RSNF69, W2GF08, GFAF69, GSXF64, GFDF69, GFIF69, W3GF08, GK2F52, GM5F7D, GLOF69, GH5F52, GHKF7D, RVXFRT, GHUF7D, GKJF78, GKLF69, GQSFAF, GKZF54, JDZF01, GLVF4Q, GMFF69, GMWF52, GNEF78, GNDF69, GOYF69, RRUFRT, S33FKM, GQ4F78, GPLF9G, GLZF69, GPHF52, GL8F4F, GQQF78, GR6F78, GS2F78, GRFF78, GSMF52, GUCF69, GVLF69, GWAF8P, GW7F69, GONF69, GUTF52, RZYF41, RWNF70, JAFF01, RWFF41, S34FKM, S32FJW, SSCFPM, SUSFMR, SU3FMR, GT4F52, RMXF78, GJUF78, GFSF69

(Good source for dates: http://www.jeuxvideo.com/jeux/gamecube-ngc/00010773-hulk.htm <= Hulk is the example)

H Netherlands

GF5H69, GF4H52, RLNHMR, RMNHMN, RTEHMR, GGZH52, SPWHZH, GF6H69, RJ9HMN, GH4H69, GICH78, GKJH78, GQQH78, GAZH69, RWFH41, SU3HMR, RL2HMR

I Italy

GF5I69, RGFI69, SM8I52, NAKI01, RIAI52, GAZI69, RRJIMR, GF6I69, GSWI64, G9TI52, GF4I52, GFAI69, SVXI52, GGZI52, GH4I69, R58IMR, RUQI78, GKLI69, RLNIMR, GLOI69, GMFI69, GQCI52, GXFI69, SK8I52, SC7I52, GUTI52, WGSI08, GQSIAF, RRMI69, W2GI08, W3GI08, SB7IVU, SIAI52, SK4I52, SSCIPM

K Korea

RSHK69, RMGK01, S22K01, SQKK01, RKPK52, R4CK69, RUSK78, RELKA4, RY2K41, GIJKC0, R2PKZ4, S7AKWR, RDXKA4, SFWK69, SROKQC, SFWK13, SK6KJD, S7AKZA, RZPK01, SBDK08, R9TK69, HAKK01, RTKK8M, HALK01, R96KAF, RT8K69, HACK01, RODK01, RZTK01, SC8K01, RVYK52, RF9K69, RNHK8M, RMCK01, RD2K41, R9OK69, RF8K69, SOMK01, RKFKZA, RBKK69, R6BK78, ROLK01, RTZK08, RFNK01, SVMK01, RBUK08, SD2K41, SIIK01, RWSK01, RGHK52, RSPK01, SB4K01, RZDK01, SUKK01, HAYK01, RY3K41, RK5K01, GNEK78, RWLK01, R64K01, RVKKZA, RNZK69, FCYK01, SUPK01, RYWK01, RFQK69, RH6K69, RUUK01, HCFK01, RSBK01, RKAK8M, HABK01, RMLK52, RHAK01, RCOKZF, HCRK01, R4QK01, R4RK69, RSLKAF, HAVK01, RWAK78, RM8K01, SSQK01, RTFK52, RYKK01, RX9K69, R8PK01, SL8K01, SROKZ5, RNWKAF, RNPK69, RSSK52, SMNK01, SERK8M, SJDK41, RFPK01, R9IK01, RTDK8M, RSXK69, SOUK01

R Russia

RVLRRW, RXDR4Q, RFPR01, RY2R41, RMGR01, RF9R69, RLUR4Q, RUER4Q, SCYR4Q, STSR4Q, R5IR4Q, RWAR78

S Spain

GQSSAF, GBWS64, GMFS69, GF4S52, SV6SRV, RELS01, SACSVS, RC4SGT, SC7S52, G3AS69, SM8S52, RV7SMR, GAZS69, NAKS01, GLCS52, R8IS78, RQ9S69, RGFS69, GSWS64, G3FS69, GBDS7D, GENS69, GF6S69, GF5S69, W2GS08, GFAS69, W3GS08, GGZS52, GH4S69, R58SMR, GHKS7D, RUQS78, GKJS78, GKLS69, GLOS69, GNES78, GO7S69, GOYS69, GQCS52, GSXS64, GXFS69, WGSS08, GX2S52, GUTS52, RZYS41, S33SKM, RWFS41, S34SKM, SBVS78, SSCSPM, SU3SMR

(Good source: http://www.meristation.com.mx/gamecube/the-hulk/juego/1512176 and https://as.com/meristation/plataformas/gamecube/juegos/)

U Australia

GAFU01, D43U01, SS7URN, SESUWR, D4BU01, SIUUNG, SS4UWR, RPFU52, SBSURN, D95U01, D93U01, D87U01, GPAU01, SAFUHS, WHPUGL, SS6UHS, RSCU7D, R6KU36, SS3UWR, STAU78, SU3UMR, RM2U69, RWAU78, G97U01

V Scandinavia

RKPV52, RU5V4Q, SSEVNG, SK8V52, SERV4Q

W Taiwan / Hong Kong / Macau

D43W01, GP5W01, RFNW01, RFPW01, GEDW01, RSPW01, RHAW01, SSQW01, SB4W01, RZTW01, RLWW78, SMNW01

Perfect! Thank you! Kimishima (talk) 10:29, 12 August 2018 (CEST)

4. Should we alter the 'CompatListHeader' to include French (FR), Spanish (SP), Swedish (SW), Netherlandish (NE), Italian (IT) and German (GE)?

I think there are likely a few others to include, refer GameIDs#Region_Code, but I also think Dolphin generally lumps many of those under it's EU label (i.e. I believe they get an EU flag banner in the UI). This wouldn't just be about updating that template as we'd also need to break things out differently in the Region column of each title list, which will be significant effort that we may want to avoid. Kolano (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2018 (CEST)
Dolphin separates them. A German game will show a German flag, French games the French flag etc. (with [these] codes. Here a picture (Uploaded to Twitter) Kimishima (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2018 (CEST)

Kimishima (talk) 10:51, 8 August 2018 (CEST)

Triforce rating

I see that you think that Triforce games should be rated 1 star because they are broken on master. While that is technically true, the same can be said about any other game not for Wii/GC. But just like any other console which is not Wii/GC, the master branch of Dolphin doesn't emulate the Triforce and because the wiki is inline with master I think they shouldn't be rated at all.Miksel12 (talk) 13:51, 30 Dec 2020 (CEST)

This has already been discussed in the past, and is partially why the ratings for all those pages are locked. We understand it's been a long time since any progress has been made on Triforce emulation. The Triforce pages should probably be purged from the wiki, but folks have wanted to preserve them since Dolphin provides the only current path to emulate these titles, even if no longer supported on master. Kolano (talk) 08:03, 31 December 2020 (CET)
I don't think the pages should be purged, like you said, Dolphin is the only way to emulate them. But by rating them against master, one would assume Triforce is emulated on master and it gives a wrong impression of which games are actually 'broken' (which are 5 games) and which games are from a machine not emulated (which are 15 games). So I would give the Triforce games 0 stars and keep the pages with a link to the Triforce branch.Miksel12 (talk) 14:15, 31 Dec 2020 (CEST)