User talk:Lucario

Infobox Edits

Your edits seem to have broken the Infobox VG template. I'm likely to revert them back shortly.

I don't think the edits you've been making on the Infobox template will be well supported anyway. We currently only list "Platform" on VC titles, so we would never generate a "Category:Wii titles that use Classic Controller" as there should be no pages that list "Wii" as a platform. In the case of the VC titles, the supported controlled are almost never different, so these categories would just become duplicates of the pre-existing VC categories. In general, if we want something like this, I'd think it might be better to look into adding an "intersection" extension to the wiki, which would allow for auto-generating sub-categories based on the inclusion of other categories. Kolano (talk) 18:54, 20 September 2015 (CEST)

Please talk to us before doing big structural changes to the way our templates work... Even I won't change things like that without talking to everyone to make sure they are fine with it! Big changes that effect everything need to be agreed upon. Btw, if the idea is to allow for cross referencing of controllers, a plugin would be great for that! - MaJoR (talk) 19:56, 20 September 2015 (CEST)

My original intention was to create a list that show all Wii games with controller specific support. For example, "Wii titles that use GameCube Controller". I think it's nice addition to this Dolphin wiki. In earlier edit in sandbox I've added them instead of replacing the existing controller set. It should work out of the box (sort of, it depends on |platforms=, unfortunately). Then I ultimately replaced them as I think it's bit odd to see like this:

• Category:Classic Controller (Input supported)
• Category:Wii titles that use Classic Controller
• Category:GameCube Controller (Input supported)
• Category:Wii titles that use GameCube Controller
• Category:Nunchuk (Input supported)
• Category:Wii titles that use Nunchuk
• Category:Wii Remote (Input supported)
• Category:Wii titles that use Wii Remote

While I know "GameCube titles that use GameCube Controller" is very silly and redundant, but that can be kept separated from other platforms, and as an replacement for "GameCube Controller (Input supported). Such as, the link Category:GameCube Controller (Input supported) in GameCube game pages. It's sheer obvious that every GameCube titles will use GameCube controllers. They're basically a duplication of the list of GameCube games, with other platforms only to add clutter to it. Indeed, the current controller categories are a mess at the moment. If one user want to view Wii titles that use GameCube Controller, they will have to read through list of irrelevant platforms. Some titles don't use GameCube Controller, while others do, so it's realistic to see platform x controller categories to exist.

I've created "|system=" because due to my limited coding abilities, I can't parse each system into "[SYSTEM] that use [CONTROLLER]", such as if there was Nintendo 64 and Virtual Console in the infobox.

But since you've deleted the categories that Infobox VG (with my edits) was going to take advantage of, my edits are complete pointless.

Any part of my edits that you'd like to detract other than the need to update every game pages to take advantage of my changes? I'm thinking of just add specific Wii game pages that support GameCube controller to subcategory Category:Wii titles that use GameCube Controller. Is that cool with you? Lucario (talk) 00:31, 21 September 2015 (CEST)

OK, to be specific regarding my concerns:

• The edits would require editing every titles page, with thousands of pages that would take a while, even if we put the regex search-n-replace to use.
• Preexisting pages that included a "platforms=" were completely broken, spitting out a broken and escaped set of categories. This may have been addressed by replacing "platforms=" with "platforms="+"system=", but I was unhappy to have all the pages broken till that was completed, which per above would take a while.
• It should be fairly easy to use the Regex template to do things like purge out the comma and "Virtual Console" from the platforms list if that was the only reason to add a separate "systems=" parameter.
• This sort of "pages that are part of multiple categories" category is provided more cleanly and easily via a few different Mediawiki add-ins, which is probably a preferable way to pursue this.

I'm not against setting up these sorts of categories, I just don't want to cause chaos while they are set up. Some other responses/comments:

• If we are going to have these sorts of categories we should have a "GameCube titles that use GameCube Controllers" category. Yes, it seems like all games should support the consoles own controller, but I'd prefer there to be consistency in how things were handled.
• For similar reasons, I'd prefer to not just arbitrarily add only a "Wii titles that use GameCube Controller" category.
• I wouldn't mind getting Wii/GameCube listed as platforms and auto-generating their related categories, so we could purge out the handcoded GC/Wii category assignments. Again, this requires a lot of page edits so it should be approached carefully.
• For the dual-category categories, let's look into getting an "intersection" extension in place, which I think will make this as easy as editing some template parameters.

I'm going in for some surgery after breaking my foot Mon morning, so I may not be able to respond/follow-up on this for a while. But hopefully we can work this out over the next few weeks. Kolano (talk) 07:35, 21 September 2015 (CEST)

Regex search-n-replace is something I thought we could do it after the new infobox took in effect, but since you've said it'd take quite a while, I'm afraid you're right, it might not be good idea to go ahead with all the changes in infobox when the articles are not ready for it yet. I actually don't mind investing my time into it and undertaking regex search-n-replace if I know how to do it, because I don't have much else to do. Do you/they not mind if the recent changes page exploded with regex replacement changes? I can start with adding "system=" and leaving the console names out of "platforms=" in the Virtual Console game pages. I want to apply "Virtual Console" as platforms along with GCN and Wii, in similar way the games was sorted in Dolphin gamelist by platforms (Virtual Consoles as WiiWare actually & unfortunately).

I don't know anything about Mediawiki addons... sorry! I'm still learning wiki codes. Maybe you could do it meantime?

Hoping you get better soon! Lucario (talk) 07:56, 28 September 2015 (CEST)

Personally I still think that some sort of cross referencing wiki plugin would be the best approach for this. That way a user could combine "Wii games" and "Input GameCube Controller" and get the list you wish to create, all without us editing a single page! The best part is, we'd instantly get a very powerful cross referencing system for controllers, allowing for far more possibilities that even you have imagined! - MaJoR (talk) 12:30, 22 September 2015 (CEST)

I don't mind that actually. Lucario (talk) 07:56, 28 September 2015 (CEST)

Is it that addon which is enabled recently that you were referred to? I'd like to set up the console <-> input method categories. Is it possible currently? Lucario (talk) 03:18, 25 November 2015 (CET)

Yes, sorry, had wanted to test it out in a few spots before moving on to that. Syntax is described here. By default it spits out long flat lists, so you may need to play with it a bit to get something formatted like categories. One other oddity I ran into was that when using the "uses" clause it seemed to trace through certain redirects, listing {{disambig}} pages as well as pages linked by them. I was able to manually filter out the undesired pages, but it make things trickier than they should have been. Kolano (talk) 03:47, 25 November 2015 (CET)