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Project:General Discussions: Difference between revisions
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=== Infobox Automation === | |||
Uh, your changes are breaking a few things. I'll just show you. Any time I make an edit, I get stuff like this: [[Metroid Prime: Trilogy]]. The stuff in the genre area is added as categories, except that area doesn't follow the category conventions. The only solution is to remove the existing categories and modify the genres area to fit the conventions. Of course, the vast majority of game articles' genre areas don't follow those category conventions... - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 05:54, 1 December 2012 (CET) | |||
I'm working through correcting the genres now. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 05:55, 1 December 2012 (CET) | |||
Cleaned up all the genres responsible for red-link categories, and performed some other general clean-up of the genres. Genre stuff should now be a bit better, but there's a bunch of remaining tasks... | |||
*Merge Platform and Platformer genres | |||
*Ensure all sports genres are labeled as such, similar genre grouping edits needed elsewhere as well (Role-playing, Shooter, etc.) | |||
*Purge in page genre categories / transfer to infobox genres section | |||
*Better review available genres for each game an populate as appropriate | |||
[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 08:05, 1 December 2012 (CET) | |||
Wait wait wait. Why are you removing ALL game categories? That is extremely limiting. Putting them all in the infobox means you either can't do additional categories for connectivity, or you get messy results like, well, "First-person action-adventure, First-person shooter, Action-adventure". Long enough? What about Wii Sports? "Sports, Party, Tennis, Boxing, Bowling, Baseball" And you don't want me to list Wii Sports + Wii Sports Resort. | |||
Ok, let me just be frank, I didn't like this idea in the first place. Automated infobox categories is limiting for genre blending titles such as this. But it does have some value, as everyone forgets those categories but us, so I see why you did it. So, I think it can work if we're flexible. So like, have "First-person action-adventure" in the infobox, and additional categories to help with navigation and inter-connectivity be nice and neatly tucked away on the bottom, where they belong. | |||
Oh, and sorry about that Prime 2 edit. I thought I screwed up, and it didn't occur to me till later that you made changes behind me. Maybe it's meaningless, but I think it's important to handle stuff like this without edit wars, so I try to avoid stuff like that. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 08:53, 1 December 2012 (CET) | |||
You're right in my thinking regarding the automation, most pages were very inconsistent between their genre/modes/categories listings. The automation makes it easier to see and maintain our current genre lists and keep things consistent. I'd generally prefer to avoid the duplication of genre information around a games page, so in most cases I'll prefer to just have a long genre's list in the infobox. Having it mixed around the page is confusing the novice editors, who may not notice the multiple edit locations. Even [[Wii Sports + Wii Sports Resort]], the longest current genre list, only ends up taking 5 lines. It's controllers section is 4 lines, so it's not without precedence, and such only occurs on a few pages (the Deca Sports titles are another problematic case). | |||
Also, generally, I'm not sure I'm a fan of the the german-like mashed together genres vs just listing each of the multiple genres that are mashed. In many cases, it seems to be a marketing ploy to some degree, but as said previously including them generally doesn't terribly effect anything anyway (i.e. an additional line of genre listing is not a big deal). Another option here may be to just hide the "genre" line in the infobox, since the info will be represented as categories now anyway. Alternately I can likely work out something to reduce the font size if more than a certain limit of genres is listed. | |||
Was hoping to work on series categories next, and perhaps dev/publisher ones. Please let me know if you want me to hold up on such prior to some further conversation/agreement? | |||
[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 09:20, 1 December 2012 (CET) | |||
I think you have a good idea overall. This could really help expand inter-connectivity and give us a more consistant setup. That's awesome. That being said... I'm an artist, so the flow and structure of the page is very important to me. Still, "Sports, Boxing, Bowling, Golf, Baseball, Tennis, Swordplay, Wakeboarding, Frisbee, Archery, Basketball, Table Tennis, Golf, Bowling, Canoeing/Kayaking, Cycling" is an absolute disaster. And I know I know, the input list is long, but it's just that game, and there is no alternative for it. With genres, there is. | |||
I really like having an overflow of sorts for odd pages like this. Sort of how wikipedia handles it, and closer to our original. Whenever someone adds a new game article (other than us regulars), they would just put in what wikipedia has, or nothing at all. I don't think that making it consistent will have any impact on that. And it would give us a much better look to the page. So, for Wii Sports Resort, just have the primary category (Sports) and then fill in all the little blanks we want for interconnectivity. That is much much nicer. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 10:31, 1 December 2012 (CET) | |||
I fear we loose the advantages of the automation and end up with inconsistent pages if we operate in a mixed mode. This only seems to be a real issue with ~10 pages, which also seems far too few out of the 1000+ total to be much put off by. Hopefully we can get some input from others. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 11:18, 1 December 2012 (CET) | |||
=== Standard suggestion: the unified Media Gallery === | === Standard suggestion: the unified Media Gallery === | ||
Ok, I've just finished my work with the [[Template:VideoGallery|video gallery template]] and I'm trying now to set the final standard for the Media Gallery. My suggestion: | Ok, I've just finished my work with the [[Template:VideoGallery|video gallery template]] and I'm trying now to set the final standard for the Media Gallery. My suggestion: | ||