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| ::There are [http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&redirs=0&ns0=1&search=HLE a lot of HLE mentions] on the Wiki though it's unclear how many of those ~2132 results are from test results and the like (If we can perform a regex search we can probably whittle that down to just the pages mentioning HLE in problems/compatibility). My guess would be that the HLE update will effect a bunch of titles that we never logged problems for though, so appropriately accounting for the update will still be problematic, even if we account for reviewing all the current HLE issues. I wonder if we could work out some scanning tools, similar to the ones for the title icon uploads to get a better DB of these sorts of wide-scale software types. There are various issues related to use of certain unsupported video codecs that might also be nice to scan for, I'm guessing there are other examples.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 22:13, 2 April 2013 (CEST) | | ::There are [http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&redirs=0&ns0=1&search=HLE a lot of HLE mentions] on the Wiki though it's unclear how many of those ~2132 results are from test results and the like (If we can perform a regex search we can probably whittle that down to just the pages mentioning HLE in problems/compatibility). My guess would be that the HLE update will effect a bunch of titles that we never logged problems for though, so appropriately accounting for the update will still be problematic, even if we account for reviewing all the current HLE issues. I wonder if we could work out some scanning tools, similar to the ones for the title icon uploads to get a better DB of these sorts of wide-scale software types. There are various issues related to use of certain unsupported video codecs that might also be nice to scan for, I'm guessing there are other examples.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 22:13, 2 April 2013 (CEST) |
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| | I know VC titles are pretty low on the totem pole, but they are pretty cool to play in Dolphin. That said, they are kind of a crapshoot. There are a lot of problems with these games. NES, SNES, Genesis, they all have universal issues spanning every game. But uh, the universal problems are only on the system pages. The virtual console page shows every title, and people just click the game in that and boom. It's convenient, but no one goes to the system pages where the universal problems are. No one ever sees the universal problems. So, I have two solutions I'd like to propose to fix this. |
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| | *1. A grid of buttons for systems on the Virtual Console page, sort of like the mainpage's. That way people can easily access pages for systems, and see the universal problems and stuff. Of course I'll have to dust off that gamepage project and get them up to snuff, but eh, I can do that. |
| | *2. A universal issues template. Considering it would only have to copy paste text, it should be pretty simple. The only issue I can forsee is integrating it in with the layout of the pages (like how various problems have links in the nav). Might be worth ignoring that however. But yea, ideally, all we'd have to do is put <nowiki>{{universalproblems|SNES}}</nowiki> onto all the SNES game pages, and bam, we have a super easy way to change the universal problems across the board. |
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| | :Hm, I liked... I can help with the templates, and if we change the main [[Virtual Console]] page to grid of buttons (like the main page), I can delete some crappy templates we've around here (some unfinished work that I didn't touch in the last 2 years -- completely useless now). Also, since we're going to do major changes in the main [[Virtual Console]], we could implement also an infobox with common information about the service, like the infobox we got in GameCube and Wii page. Regardless of what we do, I'm in with this whole thing - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) 22:29, 5 March 2013 (CET) |
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| I know VC titles are pretty low on the totem pole, but they are pretty cool to play in Dolphin. That said, they are kind of a crapshoot. There are a lot of problems with these games. NES, SNES, Genesis, they all have universal issues spanning every game. But uh, the universal problems are only on the system pages. The virtual console page shows every title, and people just click the game in that and boom. It's convenient, but no one goes to the system pages where the universal problems are. No one ever sees the universal problems. So, I have two solutions I'd like to propose to fix this.
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| | As you may have seen on the forums, I've been crowdsourcing the collect of game banner images (the 96x32 images used in the Dolphin game list). These images should probably be hosted somewhere on the wiki like the covers, but I don't know how you want to handle that. Could someone look into adding banners for a few games? I will then use a bot to import everything. |
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| | When the import will be done I will be able to add the banners to the new Dolphin website compatibility list: http://dolphin-emu.org/compat/ :) [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 05:22, 5 February 2013 (CET) |
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| | : A rough idea would be using the game ID as filename (like "G8ME01.png") and including the ID somewhere (like as an hidden parameter in Infobox VG). Banners maybe different based on release (NA/EU/JP), so, I think we should have a preference, like NA first, then EU, then JP. The 4th digit in the game ID reveal this (E for NA, P for EU and J for JP). Well, what I'm trying to say is: if the game has been released in all territories, use NA banner. If it was released only in Europe, use EU banner. And, if released only in japan, use JP banner. |
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| | : Also, adding all banner images in a category would be nice, like [Category:Banner images]. Well, I'll try to exemplify this in a sandbox... [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) |
| *2. A universal issues template. Considering it would only have to copy paste text, it should be pretty simple. The only issue I can forsee is integrating it in with the layout of the pages (like how various problems have links in the nav). Might be worth ignoring that however. But yea, ideally, all we'd have to do is put <nowiki>{{universalproblems|SNES}}</nowiki> onto all the SNES game pages, and bam, we have a super easy way to change the universal problems across the board.
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| | :I've thought about putting the banners in the infobox, but I haven't come up with a method that is actually useful. Let me explain. Our brains respond to visual stimuli far better than text. That's why a collection of icons on the desktop is better than a big list of words. Our brains are trained for this stuff. So, in the list inside the dolphin emulator, the job of the banners is to give a visual reference of the game, to exploit our how brains work and help us find stuff faster. On the wiki pages though, cover art already does that, and far better than the tiny banners. Banners on game pages would be kind of redundant. But we could use them in the same way that dolphin does... Banners would be pretty awesome in compatibility lists. Imagine the wii article with banners in it. It would give that quick visual reference that the lists need. I think it would be great there. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 18:34, 6 February 2013 (CET) |
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| :Hm, I liked... I can help with the templates, and if we change the main [[Virtual Console]] page to grid of buttons (like the main page), I can delete some crappy templates we've around here (some unfinished work that I didn't touch in the last 2 years -- completely useless now). Also, since we're going to do major changes in the main [[Virtual Console]], we could implement also an infobox with common information about the service, like the infobox we got in GameCube and Wii page. Regardless of what we do, I'm in with this whole thing - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) 22:29, 5 March 2013 (CET)
| | Actually the banners wouldn't show up in the infobox with the covers, I proposed having Game ID as a hidden parameter thinking in easily getting this ID for use in other template, but this is completely out of question now (after some tests I found that there isn't any way of getting a parameter from infobox VG template in another template). So, my initial idea now is: |
| | * Have the Game ID as file name (like G8ME01.png), and add all banner images in a category (Category:Banner images) |
| | * Prefer NA banners, then EU banners, then JP banners |
| | * Add the banners in the main lists too ([[GameCube]], [[Wii]], etc.) -- Something like delroth is doing for the main site |
| | Then, delroth could hotlink the banner images from wiki, this way we could share only one copy of the banner in the main site and in the wiki aswell. [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) |
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| :I'd also be on board for both changes. Sub-pages for VC systems will eliminate some of the template issues there (i.e. one can't edit the lists from the main page), and generating {{{{universalproblems}} templates will allow universal issues to be universally shown (though some special handling may be needed to get the edit links right). I'd also suggest adding sub-links below the "Virtual Console" link in the sidebar for the system pages, which would make them more quickly accessible. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 00:43, 6 March 2013 (CET) | | A user had started to gather banners here previously. The banners from his minor effort to do so are categorized as "Title images" and can be found. See them here, http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=Category:Title_images. I've added John's recent upload to that category. |
| | : "Banner images" seems a more accurate category. We can move them to the new category, as we have only a few images uploaded... - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) |
| | My feedback here would be: |
| | *We'll need to decide if we want all the banner images or not, in some cases there may be 5 or 6 of them per game disc. Since we may be likely to only use one image I'm not clear it makes sense to capture them all. |
| | *If we wanted to use these on game pages I'd suggest they be tied into the "Release" section, where it may make sense to capture a title image per region. |
| | :: Tried in a sandbox and the infobox got somewhat "ugly" (at least in my opinion). If we're going to use the banner in infobox, putting only one banner image in "see also" section (before the links) seem better. - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) |
| | *Judging from our current banners, the images seem a bit overly compressed (even though we've re-saved them as PNG to avoid compounding artifacts). Likely not a big deal, but we should try to make sure to avoid compressing them further and increasing artifacts. |
| | :: Well, from what I've seen, all banner images delroth got with "bannerget" were extracted directly from the Dolphin's cache file, so, it's compressed only one time. - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) |
| | *Though I would like to see them on the game list pages, adding 600+ image loads to the page may have a significant impact on performance/load times. The list pages are already fairly slow today (I'm guessing from the many ratings loads), so we should be careful. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 21:21, 6 February 2013 (CET) |
| | :: Yep, this is true... Completely forgot the loading times when I suggested this - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) |
| | ::: There might be a way to get this to be fast with a custom MediaWiki extension and some CSS sprites usage (basically, only one large image would be loaded for each list page). I could learn how to do that if you think it would be a nice addition to the compatibility lists. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 00:52, 7 February 2013 (CET) |
| | ::::The list table is rendered through MediaWiki markup, I'm unsure if we can mess CSS sprites with MediaWiki formatting without major issues. However, if this can be done without loading issues, the main list is the best way for having the banner images (better than in infobox VG) - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) |
| | :This is a good point... Dialup user here so, a giant image would SUCK for me. Lots of smaller images are easier to cache. But a thousand banners on the wii page would suck no matter what for me. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 04:50, 7 February 2013 (CET) |
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| *Judging from our current banners, the images seem a bit overly compressed (even though we've re-saved them as PNG to avoid compounding artifacts). Likely not a big deal, but we should try to make sure to avoid compressing them further and increasing artifacts.
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| :This is a good point... Dialup user here so, a giant image would SUCK for me. Lots of smaller images are easier to cache. But a thousand banners on the wii page would suck no matter what for me. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 04:50, 7 February 2013 (CET)
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| Uh, your changes are breaking a few things. I'll just show you. Any time I make an edit, I get stuff like this: [[Metroid Prime: Trilogy]]. The stuff in the genre area is added as categories, except that area doesn't follow the category conventions. The only solution is to remove the existing categories and modify the genres area to fit the conventions. Of course, the vast majority of game articles' genre areas don't follow those category conventions... - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 05:54, 1 December 2012 (CET)
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| I think you have a good idea overall. This could really help expand inter-connectivity and give us a more consistant setup. That's awesome. That being said... I'm an artist, so the flow and structure of the page is very important to me. Still, "Sports, Boxing, Bowling, Golf, Baseball, Tennis, Swordplay, Wakeboarding, Frisbee, Archery, Basketball, Table Tennis, Golf, Bowling, Canoeing/Kayaking, Cycling" is an absolute disaster. And I know I know, the input list is long, but it's just that game, and there is no alternative for it. With genres, there is.
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| You know... if we put the platforms back into the infobox, we could get rid of all category additions to the bottom of the page. It would simplify game page creation, especially when pasting from wikipedia. Not to mention help newbies, since it's one less thing to worry about. We could just tell them to delete the non-Nintendo platforms, instead of telling them how to make categories, where to put them, and what categories to use. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 03:31, 7 January 2013 (CET)
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| [[Virtual Console]] says "This lists 24 titles released on Virtual Console for the Nintendo Wii video game system". ...there is way more than 24 games in that list. It is, of course, because of the pages in category function. Only 24 virtual console pages have been made, but there are hundreds available which exist on the list as empties. This quirk is present on almost all of the compatibility lists right now, as there are a ton of empties all over this wiki thanks to scripts which added games to the list to keep it accurate and encourage people to add pages. I support that concept: filling them in slowly over time sure beats trying to do it all at once. The pages in category issue could always be solved by making tons of pages fill empties, but uh...
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| 1. It's a lot of work, even if the pages are blank except for the categories
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| 2. Newbies don't know how to approach blank pages, which means we either do more work now (no blank pages) or later (fixing problems from blank pages)
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| 3. by the time the wiki's list is updated, that's ''thousands of empties to fill'', so yea, alot of work.
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| Really, we'd need scripts to do this effectively, and that means figuring out the scripting API, getting delroth's and parlane's help, and alllll that. Without scripts, that means making thousands of pages manually, and that would take obscene amounts of time, even if they are blanks (something I think is quite dumb). So yea, making that PAGESINCAT thing display the right number is a absolute gigantic mess, so I say let's just avoid the problem entirely and remove the PAGESINCAT bit from all the pages. I don't think anyone is going to object to me saving us obscene amounts of work, so I'm going to just remove it. But in case anyone has alternatives, and because the tiny edit summary blank couldn't fit the explanation, I'm putting it here. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 12:00, 4 December 2012 (CET)
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| === Suspicious Users ===
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| I suspect a spammer is trying to build up some user accounts. These users have odd names that seem randomly generated, and were created without performing any edits:
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| *Racn42pysi
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| *Jan5318bwi
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| *WoodrowWcx
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| *Boscaposi
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| *Gaye6z37ge
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| *Err225deki
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| *Con67sy5ba
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| *Jan3jvudju
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| *Sig96yx8gi
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| *Joh4hvfuke
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| *Fra5befxli
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| *DarleneLfy
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| *Yacht member1
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| *Simsmagic
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| *Mer8qq9ysh
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| *Wal6291kst
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| *Civ1994
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| *Cprs (This ones a bit different than the others, and may be unrelated)
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| *Teoberpriller98
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| *Seloy93
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| *Cukali36
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| *Caphung49
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| *Hbryon39
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| *Filorraine31
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| *Tplautz19
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| *Shstoermer22
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| *Mtamie82
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| *Mr.Shibby (This ones a bit different than the others, and may be unrelated)
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| *TopFunny525
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| *Tohemmings32
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| *Rkisamore30
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| *Tahuna16
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| *Qusills78
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| *BrandenTd (This ones a bit different than the others, and may be unrelated)
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| *Xiao21
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| *Sowestrum37
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| *Duflorentino31
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| Which covers the suspicious ones over the last 100 user registrations, though there are many more of these. I'm reluctant to perform preemptive blocks, but have a feeling we'll still be cleaning up after spammers for some time if we don't.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 08:56, 24 November 2012 (CET)
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| It is probably someone failing to use the SEO spambot tools properly, and not a nefarious plot for later. After all, I've never seen a spambot come back later, they have always ''always'' joined then immediately spammed. Here, you should [http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/3191/revealed-the-grubby-world-of-comment-spam/ read this article], it gives a ton of information on the kind of spam we get here at the wiki. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 12:04, 4 December 2012 (CET)
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| Solved by the change to question based captchas. Fixed by Delroth in late December of 2012. No new suspicious users or spammers are being made, but the old ones remain.
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