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| This is still being implemented at [[Stereoscopic_3D_Support_and_Compatibility/Sandbox]]. Someone needs to clean such and get it out of the sandbox.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 08:24, 6 October 2015 (CEST) | | This is still being implemented at [[Stereoscopic_3D_Support_and_Compatibility/Sandbox]]. Someone needs to clean such and get it out of the sandbox.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 08:24, 6 October 2015 (CEST) |
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| === Perfect Compatibility? ===
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| I'd like you to take a look at the SSB:M compatibility page. This game is rated 5 stars as "Perfect: No issues at all!". Yet, there seems to be one or two minor, ''minor'' errors listed on the page.
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| So what is the specific criteria for a perfect rating? Would no known bugs, period, be too out of the question? Or is "perfect" emulation accuracy unreasonable anyhow, considering it isn't cycle for cycle accurate and won't be anytime soon. Basically, can we define the word perfect?
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| [[User:MirandaStreeter|Miranda]] ([[User talk:MirandaStreeter|talk]]) 01:16, 24 October 2013 (CEST)
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| Perfect should mean there are no known issues/defects with the reproduction. It's unclear why Melee wasn't knocked back to 4 stars earlier, since it clearly has open issues. As you note it doesn't necessarily mean there is an exact 1:1 reproduction, as we're dealing with high-level emulation in many places. There should not be noticeable image defects/gameplay issues though. So for instance, even if a character starts to talk a tenth of second too late in some title; it could still be rated perfect, if that doesn't effect gameplay and would generally be unnoticeable without a stopwatch. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 04:13, 24 October 2013 (CEST)
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| :SSBM isn't the only offender. A number of games seem to be 5-star happy yet have known issues listed without fixes. These include:
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| ::* Aggressive Inline
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| ::* Harvest Moon: Magical Melody
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| ::* Ikaruga
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| ::* Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut
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| ::* Tales of Symphonia
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| :Yet more are listed at 5 stars without any version compatibility reports or test. None at all. These include:
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| ::* Donkey Konga
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| ::* Dora the Explorer: Journey to the Purple Planet
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| ::* Hitman 2: Silent Assassin
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| ::* Hudson Selection Vol. 3: Bonk's Adventure
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| ::* Mr Driller: Drill Land
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| ::* Pac-Man World Rally
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| :You'll also find some 5-star games that require DX9 backends as a fix, despite it being entirely dropped in latest revisions. These include:
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| ::* Hot Wheels World Race
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| ::* Sega Soccer Slam
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| :While all of those are obvious fixes, others aren't so much. Many of the rest either have conflicts between the reporting graph and actual report entries, list 4 stars in the graph while reading 5 stars in the official list, are listing compatibility results without any details, or haven't had a test entry since v3.0 and previous. These would have to be looked into on a case by case basis. I'd also check and see if a specific user/IP is marking 5 stars prematurely, or if it's a collective problem. --[[User:MirandaStreeter|Miranda]] ([[User talk:MirandaStreeter|talk]]) 21:10, 30 October 2013 (CET)
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| Whoa now. This is exactly the problem. ALL GAMES HAVE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEM. A tiny lighting bug. Tev derp. SOMETHING. By the criteria of "no known problems" there should be no five star titles. And even if we keep the ones that have no known bugs, it is just a matter of time until someone grabs one of those tiny global problems and there we go. The "perfect" rating concept is inherently flawed.
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| As was discussed in the rating changes below, it is the opinion of the devs (minus skidau) that 5 stars ''should not mean absolute perfection''. 5 stars is something we should use, and since the emulator isn't perfect then nothing would be five stars. The criteria that was discussed is below in the Rating Changes section. That criteria is "almost perfect". Very very very good, with allowances for very minor bugs. Melee is a perfect example. Everything is perfect, except for some very very tiny bugs that no one bug someone who goes back and forth from console and dolphin a lot would notice (JMC47 and the netplay people in this case). Under the "almost perfect" criteria Melee is five stars.
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| We need to work this out. We've been putting off this rating thing forever, and now that demotions are starting to happen based on the old ratings, it's time to get this settled. Until this rating issue is settled please do not demote any more 5 star games. Kolano, if you revert 5 star pages I won't get into an edit war with you, you pretty much handle all the boring tasks like this and I respect that. But anyone else? I'm reverting all five star demotions until the ratings issue is settled permanently.
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| For the record, I promoted Melee to five stars based on encouragement from the devs that it qualified for "perfect" status regardless of the little bugs (again, skidau objecting :P). - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 22:27, 30 October 2013 (CET)
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| === Ratings Changes === | | === Ratings Changes === |
