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I'm happy to see discussion here, but would like to ensure that we don't deride some of the improvements that have been made due to what are likely more minor design decisions. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 08:54, 12 July 2016 (CEST) | I'm happy to see discussion here, but would like to ensure that we don't deride some of the improvements that have been made due to what are likely more minor design decisions. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 08:54, 12 July 2016 (CEST) | ||
Ok... Usually I like how loosely the wiki is run, but... | Ok... Usually I like how loosely the wiki is run, but... there is a bit of a debate ethics problem. Detaching someone's opinion from their words is very dangerous. It is ''extremely'' easy to manipulate someone's opinion when detaching it, so it is vital that any such summarizing is handled by someone outside of the two primary parties involved in an argument/debate. Lucario, that means me, who initially voiced opposition, and you, the creator. It is improper for either one of us to manage the opinions of others in this discussion. As such, the table you made must be verified by a third party. Kolano or Jhonn, please go through everyone's opinions on this table and verify the information present is accurate, and make any corrections that may be needed? And Lucario, please do not make any further alternations to the table, and allow someone else to maintain it. I appreciate that you created the table and what you are trying to achieve, but proper procedure must be maintained in bigger and elaborate discussions like this one. | ||
Now I'm going to go over and take on some issues I have with the template. I will not be referencing the table you created do to the above reasons, instead I will be looking at the template and bringing up points of things that I see. | Now I'm going to go over it and take on some issues I have with the template. I will not be referencing the table you created do to the above reasons, instead I will be looking at the template and bringing up points of things that I see. | ||
*Broken-Intro-Starts-Playable-Perfect - Those terms are completely arbitrary and subjective, and I do not like them. The entire rating system is desperately in need of an overhaul, but we've never managed to overhaul it due to disagreements in the precise implementation. But that's just the root problem with it, isn't it? It's entirely up in the air, there's no meaning to it at all, and so it's very difficult to get anyone to agree on an ideal scenario. Even extremely small adjustments have failed. | *Broken-Intro-Starts-Playable-Perfect - Those terms are completely arbitrary and subjective, and I do not like them. The entire rating system is desperately in need of an overhaul, but we've never managed to overhaul it due to disagreements in the precise implementation. But that's just the root problem with it, isn't it? It's entirely up in the air, there's no meaning to it at all, and so it's very difficult to get anyone to agree on an ideal scenario. Even extremely small adjustments have failed. The problem has only become worse over time - Dolphin becomes more and more accurate, I'm sure you've noticed that everything is stuck on 4 stars, making it rather useless. In the not so distant future the entire concept of ratings will be pointless. Anyway, because of the fundamental issues with the rating system, and how they are only going to become worse over time, I am of the strong opinion that raising its obviousness is absolutely the wrong course of action, and oppose this aspect of the proposed changes. I absolutely would prefer that text be gone. And while I'm at it, the font is poor and the padding is insufficient, and the colors are bad too. Seriously, when darkening yellows and oranges, remember to always go to warmer tones! If you don't it will look sickly... | ||
*Diagonal Revision Numbers - One of the primary purposes for the diagonal revision numbers is the above addition of rating titles, which I oppose. The other (and likely primary) reason is to allow more revision to be legible on the bar at one time. But is this really something we want? The current system wraps gracefully, it can have tons and tons of revisions in it and it doesn't matter, since they'll just disappear and always be on the same small space. And we still get this information for historical purposes by looking at the code. But with this system, lots and lots of revisions means lots and lots of text jutting out of the bar, and it becomes very busy. It is aesthetically not pleasing and distracting, imo. | *Diagonal Revision Numbers - One of the primary purposes for the diagonal revision numbers is the above addition of rating titles, which I oppose. The other (and likely primary) reason is to allow more revision to be legible on the bar at one time. But is this really something we want? The current system wraps gracefully, it can have tons and tons of revisions in it and it doesn't matter, since they'll just disappear and always be on the same small space. And we still get this information for historical purposes by looking at the code. But with this system, lots and lots of revisions means lots and lots of text jutting out of the bar, and it becomes very busy. It is aesthetically not pleasing and distracting, imo. | ||
*Colors - Actually, I kind of rate this as a "meh". The new colors are muddy, the old colors are garish. Of course the ratings text colors has a lot to do with that, so that may help it. It might also help to brighten the colors a little to maybe try to find a halfway point? | *Colors - Actually, I kind of rate this as a "meh". The new colors are muddy, the old colors are garish. Of course the ratings text colors has a lot to do with that, so that may help it. It might also help to brighten the colors a little to maybe try to find a halfway point? | ||
So what changes would I like made to the template? I absolutely want the ratings text removed. Colors should be adjusted some, but it's not the biggest deal in the world. I do not like the always on diagonal arrows with revisions, but if those arrows were to appear on mouse over, that I think would be nice. Like, have it display like the current system, but mouse over and it gives more details with the arrows if you want it. It looks busy when always on, but if it only appears when someone deliberately wishes for more information, then the | So what changes would I like made to the template? I absolutely want the ratings text removed. Colors should be adjusted some, but it's not the biggest deal in the world. I do not like the always on diagonal arrows with revisions, but if those arrows were to appear on mouse over, that I think would be nice. Like, have it display like the current system, but mouse over and it gives more details with the arrows if you want it. It looks busy when always on, but if it only appears when someone deliberately wishes for more information, then the busy-ness is wanted and perfectly fine! Anyway, that is my opinion on this. Sorry it's kind of late, I kind of crashed after the 5.0 push, then I had to start dealing with real life bureaucracy (yuck!). - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 23:55, 12 July 2016 (CEST) | ||
== Few questions (opinions usually) == | == Few questions (opinions usually) == | ||