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:: I think some of this also comes round to something I think we've been trying to avoid, which is more general care taking of the posted videos. There's many links that can be purged (i.e. whole lists of playthrough videos's rather than just the first clip, odd ball recordings with cameras, obnoxious commentary, etc.). We might want to rethink the handling somewhat generally, perhaps pruning things down to a few "curated" videos and providing a search link into Youtube for others. It might be possible to even surface search results on the page via the Youtube API, though particularly for rarer/less unique title names that may have some odd content. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 06:12, 17 July 2017 (CEST) | :: I think some of this also comes round to something I think we've been trying to avoid, which is more general care taking of the posted videos. There's many links that can be purged (i.e. whole lists of playthrough videos's rather than just the first clip, odd ball recordings with cameras, obnoxious commentary, etc.). We might want to rethink the handling somewhat generally, perhaps pruning things down to a few "curated" videos and providing a search link into Youtube for others. It might be possible to even surface search results on the page via the Youtube API, though particularly for rarer/less unique title names that may have some odd content. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 06:12, 17 July 2017 (CEST) | ||
My idea to solve this was to make an empty template and call it from VideoGallery, and have [[User:BuildBot]] make a meaningless edit to it once a day, but the way it works is different from how I thought. Apparently second level nested templates being changed doesn't update the cache on the top level page. This is kind of bad behavior since say if we just pushed the YouTube template fixes for the brackets but the VideoGallery wasn't being edited around the same time, I guess that means the fix wouldn't be applied to any pages until those individual pages were edited. I then tried to add a current time template to the VideoGallery since that's extremely volatile to see if there was some sort of specific override for date stuff, and that still wasn't updating on refresh. The only thing I can think of here client side would be to have BuildBot just add a newline and then remove it or something on the VideoGallery template every day if you just want a daily refresh. Since nobody noticed the pseudo randomness until now, I don't think that's such a problem, and fixing it would require adding checks of the random values against each other which seems like a mess. And, the behavior of having the same ones show up at the same time would never really be different I don't think unless there were at least 2 separate dynamically changing seeds, which doesn't seem worth the effort really (especially since they won't cause a reload). | My idea to solve this was to make an empty template and call it from VideoGallery, and have [[User:BuildBot]] make a meaningless edit to it once a day, but the way it works is different from how I thought. <s>Apparently second level nested templates being changed doesn't update the cache on the top level page. This is kind of bad behavior since say if we just pushed the YouTube template fixes for the brackets but the VideoGallery wasn't being edited around the same time, I guess that means the fix wouldn't be applied to any pages until those individual pages were edited.</s> I then tried to add a current time template to the VideoGallery since that's extremely volatile to see if there was some sort of specific override for date stuff, and that still wasn't updating on refresh. The only thing I can think of here client side would be to have BuildBot just add a newline and then remove it or something on the VideoGallery template every day if you just want a daily refresh. Since nobody noticed the pseudo randomness until now, I don't think that's such a problem, and fixing it would require adding checks of the random values against each other which seems like a mess. And, the behavior of having the same ones show up at the same time would never really be different I don't think unless there were at least 2 separate dynamically changing seeds, which doesn't seem worth the effort really (especially since they won't cause a reload). | ||
: And if we called EmbedVideo plugin directly into {{tl|VideoGallery}} instead of calling subtemplates like {{tl|YouTube}} inside it, would that work? Maybe you could also use the current Dolphin revision (which is automatically updated by a bot) as a "base" for the seed calculation, to trigger the refreshes... - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) 18:20, 17 July 2017 (CEST) | : And if we called EmbedVideo plugin directly into {{tl|VideoGallery}} instead of calling subtemplates like {{tl|YouTube}} inside it, would that work? Maybe you could also use the current Dolphin revision (which is automatically updated by a bot) as a "base" for the seed calculation, to trigger the refreshes... - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) 18:20, 17 July 2017 (CEST) | ||
::I really don't understand this. First I tried adding a useless space to VideoGallery inside the noincludes ("pinging" it), and that was causing page reloads. Then I pinged YouTube, and that was reloading too, even though yesterday I tried reverting the entire bracket fix in the sandbox and that wasn't reloading my sandbox test cases. So then I pinged [[Template:Documentation]] since every single template on the site calls that, and it didn't cause page reloads. ''Then'' I tried making a totally blank template with just one variable definition and adding that to the VideoGallery sandbox, and that was causing reloads on ping. So I made the unused variable definition take a dummy of CurrentGitRevision as an argument, and changing the git revision dummy was causing reloads. So my conclusion is I don't have any idea what's going on, and pages probably already do reload when Dolphin updates, but I don't want to touch the real git revision template at all or make 50 sandboxes to find out. I'm just going to go ahead and say that in this current state, trying to work around the page caching at all would be bad design because of its inconsistency, there should be a different approach. - [[User:Xerxes|Xerxes]] ([[User talk:Xerxes|talk]]) 02:45, 18 July 2017 (CEST) | |||
I think a totally new approach with some kind of expandable box or Kolano's YouTube API pairing idea seem interesting, but I wouldn't know where to start with that. Frankly I'm horrible at web styling CSS kind of stuff, so anything involving that is outside of my current ability. - [[User:Xerxes|Xerxes]] ([[User talk:Xerxes|talk]]) 10:19, 17 July 2017 (CEST) | I think a totally new approach with some kind of expandable box or Kolano's YouTube API pairing idea seem interesting, but I wouldn't know where to start with that. Frankly I'm horrible at web styling CSS kind of stuff, so anything involving that is outside of my current ability. - [[User:Xerxes|Xerxes]] ([[User talk:Xerxes|talk]]) 10:19, 17 July 2017 (CEST) | ||