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===Odd Quote Issue===
===Odd Quote Issue===
Just noticed an issue with the page [[:Category:Published_by_Ateam]], and [[:Category:Developed_by_Ateam]] where a quotation mark oddly appears in the category. Anyone have a clue as to what's going on there or how to resolve it? [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 06:08, 6 August 2013 (CEST)
Just noticed an issue with the page [[:Category:Published_by_Ateam]], and [[:Category:Developed_by_Ateam]] where a quotation mark oddly appears in the category. Anyone have a clue as to what's going on there or how to resolve it? [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 06:08, 6 August 2013 (CEST)
=== Global Problems behavior ===
Ok, I worked on it today and now I have something to show to you, so we can decide if the template is going to work that way and so see if everyone agree. First of, the template is still WIP, so, the current code is messy and the documentation is missing. I'm having a lot of issues with empty space, but I'll try to fix that soon. Right now, the template are working this way:
* Global Problems of all VC pages are shown in the Main [[Virtual Console]] page.
* Specific problems of that platform are shown in the list of that platform.
* In the lists, the Global Problems section is ALWAYS shown, even if no problems exist.
* In the game pages, the "Global Problems" section are shown only if at least 1 global VC problem or 1 platform specific global problem exist. Otherwise this section is hidden.
* The Global Problems section in a game page first list the platform specific issues and after that the global VC issues of {{tl|GlobalProblems/VirtualConsole}}, like this:
<pre>
=== Active platform-specific issue 1 ===
=== Active platform-specific issue 2 ===
[...]
=== Active platform-specific issue N ===
=== Active global VC issue 1 ===
=== Active global VC issue 2 ===
[...]
=== Active global VC issue N ===
===<s> Fixed platform-specific issue 1 </s>===
===<s> Fixed platform-specific issue 2 </s>===
[...]
===<s> Fixed platform-specific issue N </s>===
===<s> Fixed global VC issue 1 </s>===
===<s> Fixed global VC issue 2 </s>===
[...]
===<s> Fixed global VC issue N </s>===</pre>
It's a little redundant but this design make sure that all Dolphin users will see these problems, even people who jumps directly in the game page through the Wiki context menu present in Dolphin itself. Furthermore, [[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask]] is already using the global template and I'm going to remove that "test issue" from the VC global templates soon, I need it for testing. Before committing this to the other platforms, I'll (try to) fix all spacing problems and make the template source more readable, but I need feedback here, any objection or suggestion? [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])


=== Global Problems Template ===
=== Global Problems Template ===
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Alright, everyone seems fine with it, so I'm going to send the email to delroth. I'll recommend he use the system categories to know what to put where, and tell him to place it above the problems section. If anyone wants to do it manually they can just do it first. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 06:13, 6 August 2013 (CEST)
Alright, everyone seems fine with it, so I'm going to send the email to delroth. I'll recommend he use the system categories to know what to put where, and tell him to place it above the problems section. If anyone wants to do it manually they can just do it first. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 06:13, 6 August 2013 (CEST)
== Recent Discussions ==
Below is listed only what was discussed last month. You can [[Project:General_Discussions/Archive|search the archive]] for what was discussed since General Discussions page was created.


=== Universal problems are buried ===
=== Universal problems are buried ===
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: We should inform delroth, since the links works and are parsed correctly when we are in the wiki, this probably is an issue with the "wiki => forum" rendering engine. [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])  
: We should inform delroth, since the links works and are parsed correctly when we are in the wiki, this probably is an issue with the "wiki => forum" rendering engine. [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])  
:: There is a bit of a bleh situation going on right now... delroth isn't available to be contacted. It will be a while. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 22:04, 23 April 2013 (CEST)
:: There is a bit of a bleh situation going on right now... delroth isn't available to be contacted. It will be a while. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 22:04, 23 April 2013 (CEST)
== Recent Discussions ==
Below is listed only what was discussed last month. You can [[Project:General_Discussions/Archive|search the archive]] for what was discussed since General Discussions page was created.
=== TOC Issues ===
While working on the Dolphin Manual I've realized that it's going to have content box that will GIGANTIC. The biggest content box on the wiki ever. It will be even worse than the [[FAQ]]. I need a way to deal with this. Looking around, I found this: [[wikipedia:Template:TOC limit]] on wikipedia. It looks extremely simple, with very short code, and it would help. Honestly I'd rather have a put the TOC into the sidebar, like the mainsite's faq, but since we can't do that... this will do. Do you guys have any better ideas, or should I go on ahead and try this template? (and inevitably break something and need Jhonn to bail me out :P) - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 06:47, 18 April 2013 (CEST)
: Well, this fix the issues with the big TOC, so, you should try... The template is very simple, the only possible issue would be with our custom CSS schemes, but it should work without any problem - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
:: Ok, implemented it. Luckily, the template didn't cause issues with our custom CSS schemes (YAY!) [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
::: Thanks. See, now I'm so scared of templates that the time I asked you to do it, I actually could have done it *facepalm*. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 22:04, 23 April 2013 (CEST)
:::: Don't be scared guy, found a template, implement it. Caused issues or broke things? Don't worry, sooner or later somebody will help fixing it, after all, it's a community! It's the best way of learning, when the wiki was born (mid-2010, in Mamario's server), I spent a looong time breaking things when implementing templates, and almost all times I needed Kolano, Keller999 and ThatLuciano to fix up the mess. You'll see, soon you'll be creating/implementing very complex templates without any issues =D - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
=== Heads up: website guides now hosted on the wiki ===
Just so you know, MaJoR is probably aware of it since we already talked about it on IRC: the guides displayed on http://dolphin-emu.org/docs/guides/ are now hosted on the Dolphin Wiki. I purposely did not make it too obvious on the website (no link to the wiki page, no edit link, etc.) to avoid attracting vandals.
If you want me to add any other good quality guide to the website, ping me by email (best way to make sure I notice your ping... I tend to miss stuff happening on the wiki).
Thanks for these guides, and try to keep them up to date :) [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 19:36, 9 April 2013 (CEST)
:Really cool, but the main site is multilingual and the wiki is English only... How we'll address that? Also, maybe we can remove the wiki's FAQ now since the FAQ of the main site is multilingual and the one in the wiki is just a duplicate, and english only... What do you guys think? [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
::Not sure how to handle guides translations - I think in the first place we should try to get good quality english guides, then think about translating them. My current idea is to export the wiki pages as separate Transifex projects, and have a bot syncing the Transifex translations with wiki pages named like "Performance guide (fr)" or "Performance guide (de)". I don't really want to work on it atm, if I haven't done anything about it in a month just ping me. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 23:34, 9 April 2013 (CEST)
:::Don't worry. However, my only suggestion here is using subpages instead of separate ones, like what we do with the Navigation template (eg. "Performance guide/en", "Performance guide/de", "Performance guide/fr") [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
::Delroth just gave me access to the main site's FAQ. Well... there wasn't a lot of activity on the wiki FAQ anyway, so hopefully that will help keep everything up to date. So I guess now it's time to remove our FAQ and link to the main site's FAQ. Anyone opposed? - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 00:56, 10 April 2013 (CEST)
::: We should have done this a long time ago, the wiki FAQ always had duplicated content, even when the site was hosted in Mamario's servers. Delete the Wiki FAQ!!! [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
:::: OK, but seems counter to the change that started this (i.e. moving guides from site to wiki). Why is it better that only limited folks can maintain the FAQ? If it's the content duplication that's of concern we might want to get rid of the other FAQ, and preserve the editable one on the wiki.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 04:06, 12 April 2013 (CEST)
::::: The FAQ on the main website has several features that we want to preserve, most importantly internationalization. That's one of the reasons why I'm limiting who can edit the FAQ: every edit needs translators for more than 15 languages to update their versions of the FAQ. If one has to go, it won't be the one from the main website. I'm open to giving more people access to it though, it will never be completely open though. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 09:39, 12 April 2013 (CEST)
:::::: Deleted the wiki FAQ, and redirected to the mainsite FAQ. I have access, so if you see something just let me know. Delroth is going to be away for a while, but other devs have access to the site, so it shouldn't be too difficult to add someone if you ask. I see no reason why you guys (Jhonn and Kolano) couldn't be given access to the mainsite FAQ to help out. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 22:51, 23 April 2013 (CEST)
=== AX-HLE ===
According to Delroth, the new AX-HLE merger should fix the vast majority of DSP HLE issues. How are we going to update this? It's a ton of games, and I doubt we'll be able to get someone to test everything... - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 21:19, 2 April 2013 (CEST)
:A rough approach would be filtering games that doesn't use AX UCode (Zelda, Mario Galaxy, etc.) and then crossing out all HLE problems in all game pages... It'll be easier to filter out games that doesn't use AX UCode than filtering games that use it... -[[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
::I asked Delroth, and unfortunately he doesn't have a list like that. One of the other devs might though. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 21:58, 2 April 2013 (CEST)
:::Yeah, this is why the various developer infobox fields never got filled in properly. They would have been what we'd need to filter on something like this.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 22:13, 2 April 2013 (CEST)
:::: Unfortunately we can't rely on that entirely. Skyward Sword uses AX. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 22:20, 2 April 2013 (CEST)
::There are [http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&redirs=0&ns0=1&search=HLE a lot of HLE mentions] on the Wiki though it's unclear how many of those ~2132 results are from test results and the like (If we can perform a regex search we can probably whittle that down to just the pages mentioning HLE in problems/compatibility). My guess would be that the HLE update will effect a bunch of titles that we never logged problems for though, so appropriately accounting for the update will still be problematic, even if we account for reviewing all the current HLE issues. I wonder if we could work out some scanning tools, similar to the ones for the title icon uploads to get a better DB of these sorts of wide-scale software types. There are various issues related to use of certain unsupported video codecs that might also be nice to scan for, I'm guessing there are other examples.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 22:13, 2 April 2013 (CEST)
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