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| == Open Discussions == | | == Open Discussions == |
| | === Global Replacement Request === |
| | A spot to capture global replacement requests: |
| | * <s>Update testing/entry template to always include "tester=" field. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 01:36, 29 May 2015 (CEST)</s> (done at some point?) |
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| === Bots/Scripts ===
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| Now that we actually have access to the wiki on a basic level, I'm been investigating how to automate tasks here around the wiki. Stuff like updating the list of games, manipulating categories, on and on could be done wiki-wide with a script. We could potentially even kill spambots with it (or at least flag them to make clean up easier). There are all kinds of things we could do. Now obviously, I'm an artist, not a programmer, so my contributions to this are limited. But I can learn things quickly. Anyway, I think this could go a long way to help us save a ton of time in large scale modifications, and let us do things like updating game lists more often. For reference, here are some bots and scripts I found while looking around: [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Bots/Status|Bot Status]] - [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:List of bots by number of edits|Bot list sorted by edits]] - [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts|User Scripts List]] - [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Tutorial|User Scripts Tutorial]].
| | === Error with Slash in Search === |
| | Using a forward slash in a search term (i.e. "NA/EU") results in a long set of Wiki errors... |
| | "Warning: preg_match() [function.preg-match]: Unknown modifier ')' in /home/dolphin-emu/apps/wiki/includes/search/SearchEngine.php on line 1402" |
| | [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 22:01, 28 August 2013 (CEST) |
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| Delroth and the devs brought this up, cause well, they are too lazy to do manual edits :P. Our needs would probably be better served by scripts than bots, but, having stuff done automatically might be nice sometimes. So, what do you guys think? Do you want bots and scripts, and if so, what would you want them for? - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 14:51, 14 December 2012 (CET)
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| | Warning: preg_match(): Unknown modifier ')' in /home/dolphin-emu/apps/wiki/includes/search/SearchHighlighter.php on line 512 |
| | ...but this still occurs. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 07:04, 13 March 2017 (CET) |
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| Talking about bots, I wrote a simple script to update the [[Template:CurrentGitRevision]] page automatically when a commit is pushed to the Git repository. That should be one less thing to worry about. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 03:35, 5 January 2013 (CET)
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| My grocery list of scripts:
| | === Very Odd Query API Error === |
| *System to allow the revision template to understand GIT codes, restoring it's functionality from before the GIT migration
| | For some unknown reason, searching for 'SNES' with the Wikimedia API gives a 500 error. Typing in other searches, like 'Super Nintendo Entertainment System', 'SMS' or other games work. There is no other known queries that cause this. I have nailed it down to the 'redirects' parameter being, but it does not make sense why it works with other queries but SNES. |
| *Script to collected and create GameIDs and direct them to relevant pages
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| I asked Delroth about the revision template recently. He said he could get it working with the new site in no time, but since that would cover only a tiny fraction of revisions, I told him to wait till he can put in a complete solution that ties to google code. To be honest I'd prefer the main site just be updated to go back all the way but eh, that isn't in their plans. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 03:25, 7 January 2013 (CET)
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| I have a list of about 300 gameids which should redirect to existing Wiki pages. Could someone review http://codepad.org/RKdGIvUF and tell me if it's ok to mass-create these pages? [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 19:54, 2 February 2013 (CET)
| | Here is the link in question: https://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/api.php?action=query&utf8=1&redirects&format=json&prop=info|categories&inprop=url&titles=SNES |
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| Talked with him about it in the channel. Everything either checks out or will create a double redirect. So, he'll upload it, and then we'll check the double redirects to fix any issues. Simple enough. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 14:20, 3 February 2013 (CET)
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| : I should actually be able to check for double redirects pretty easily. The bot will do it automatically. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 15:49, 3 February 2013 (CET)
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| :: Done! I also fixed all the other double redirects at the same time. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 07:46, 4 February 2013 (CET)
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| I also have some cron scripts listing stuff to do on the Wiki: for example:
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| * http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/missing-gameid.txt GameIDs missing a redirection, from the "Go to Wiki" menu in the emulator
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| **sXAP52, r8pj01, suke01:Capitalization on these ones is odd, we have an entries with appropriate caps, not clear what's with the lowercase letters
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| **£×Uº²�, ŽÔç_ìÂ, èl9/C, +¾‹Ešn,#•Wõ�d:These have various odd characters.
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| **GCOPDV, GBLPGL: The first 4 chars of these align with "GCOP52: Call of Duty: Finest Hour" and "GBLP52: Bloody Roar: Primal Fury" but I'm not clear they are the same.
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| **GGCOSD: GCOS GC MultiGame DVD), GCOPDV:GCOS MultiGame DVD, MRRP01: New Super Mario Bros. Wii Retro Remix, GBLPGL:Xeno GC Homebrew Boot: These are various IDs associated with homemade multi-boots, or other homemade images. Not clear we should track these.
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| **Most other residual ones I'm having trouble aligning to a known game title, they don't seem to show up on GameTDB.
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| * http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/missing-redirs.txt All game pages which don't have a 6 chars GameID redirecting to that page
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| **Peach's_Castle: Seems to have the invalid ID "00"
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| **System_Menu: GameID for system menu wads is blank
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| **Toy Wars:These don't have disk images and are just distributed as resources /w DOL files
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| **Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops/sandbox_(Wii): Sandbox pages should generally be isolated, there's no gameid for the sandbox
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| **MaxPlay_Classic_Games_Volume_1: This game is unlicensed and steals a gameID from other titles typically "NHL HITZ 20-02: GNHE5d"
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| **Channels and some WiiWare titles seem to use 4 character IDs, and aren't filtered from the 6 char list. Will need to avoid filtering the few non-Channel games, (i.e. History Channel ??? and Pokemon Channel). Dolphin seems to postfix these with "01", but was unclear how we want to handle them here.
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| ::Kolano, I talked with Delroth about the 4char GameIDs. Both the 4 and 6 character IDs are correct. The last two characters in a 6 character GameID is the publisher code. For WiiWare, Wii Channels, and Virtual Console games, Nintendo decided to detach the publisher code. Plus, the code is based on platform, not publisher. 01 NES, SNES, and N64 VC games, for example. The Dolphin devs decided to go for uniformity, and put the publisher code back in. So to Dolphin the GameID includes it, even though officially the GameID according to Nintendo does not. But it is official information from nintendo. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 11:41, 7 February 2013 (CET)
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| :::Per that I guess we should have entries for both. There are likely some double redirects from when I first noticed this to clean-up, and the scripts here may need to be updated to also track the 4 char IDs.
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| * http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/compat.txt All values found in ratings pages (should have only 0/1/2/3/4/5 ideally)
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| * http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/unknown.txt Games with rating 0 (unknown)
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| * http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/review.txt Games with rating 1/2/3 not updated for 4 months (listed because some of these games might be fixed now)
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| Tell me if you need more. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 23:06, 3 February 2013 (CET)
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| Another thing I will automate: editing infoboxes to add the link to the forum thread when a forum thread exists. Trivial to do with access to the forum database, just needs some infobox template parsing... It's on my TODO for tomorrow. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 07:46, 4 February 2013 (CET)
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| One thing I'd like to get a bot/script to perform would be mass search and replaces. For instance, we noticed a frequent mis-capitalization of Single-player as Single-Player. It's easy enough to search and find most instances of this, but actually editing/saving each page is tedious.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 07:17, 7 February 2013 (CET)
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| :I second this. A find and replace script would be GREAT. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 09:55, 7 February 2013 (CET)
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| ::It's already in PyWikipediaBot (the framework I'm using). Just tell me what mass replaces you want to do and I'll run the bot. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 14:44, 7 February 2013 (CET)
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| :::*Single-Player > Single-player
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| :::*Wiimote, wiimote > Wii Remote
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| ::::Only in infoboxes or in the whole page text? Whole page text would be easier, but I can do both without too much of a problem. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 11:57, 8 February 2013 (CET)
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| :::::Personally I'd prefer you keep it to just infoboxes. There are times where I use Wiimote, Wii Remote, etc etc as variation in pages so it doesn't sound dull. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 14:13, 8 February 2013 (CET)
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| ::::::Wiimote should already be corrected in all infoboxes. Wiimote is not the appropriate name for the device though, so I'd personally prefer it be replaced everywhere. Though I don't really want to fight about it. The Single-player capitalization fix can be applied everywhere, but be careful about the capitalization (i.e. we don't want to capitalize lowercase single-player outside of infoboxes, but we would if it appears in an infobox. "Single-Player" to "Single-player" should be a safe global replacement though, if capitalization is respected).
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| === Importing game banners on the Wiki ===
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| As you may have seen on the forums, I've been crowdsourcing the collect of game banner images (the 96x32 images used in the Dolphin game list). These images should probably be hosted somewhere on the wiki like the covers, but I don't know how you want to handle that. Could someone look into adding banners for a few games? I will then use a bot to import everything.
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| When the import will be done I will be able to add the banners to the new Dolphin website compatibility list: http://dolphin-emu.org/compat/ :) [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 05:22, 5 February 2013 (CET)
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| : A rough idea would be using the game ID as filename (like "G8ME01.png") and including the ID somewhere (like as an hidden parameter in Infobox VG). Banners maybe different based on release (NA/EU/JP), so, I think we should have a preference, like NA first, then EU, then JP. The 4th digit in the game ID reveal this (E for NA, P for EU and J for JP). Well, what I'm trying to say is: if the game has been released in all territories, use NA banner. If it was released only in Europe, use EU banner. And, if released only in japan, use JP banner.
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| : Also, adding all banner images in a category would be nice, like [Category:Banner images]. Well, I'll try to exemplify this in a sandbox... [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
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| :I've thought about putting the banners in the infobox, but I haven't come up with a method that is actually useful. Let me explain. Our brains respond to visual stimuli far better than text. That's why a collection of icons on the desktop is better than a big list of words. Our brains are trained for this stuff. So, in the list inside the dolphin emulator, the job of the banners is to give a visual reference of the game, to exploit our how brains work and help us find stuff faster. On the wiki pages though, cover art already does that, and far better than the tiny banners. Banners on game pages would be kind of redundant. But we could use them in the same way that dolphin does... Banners would be pretty awesome in compatibility lists. Imagine the wii article with banners in it. It would give that quick visual reference that the lists need. I think it would be great there. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 18:34, 6 February 2013 (CET)
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| Actually the banners wouldn't show up in the infobox with the covers, I proposed having Game ID as a hidden parameter thinking in easily getting this ID for use in other template, but this is completely out of question now (after some tests I found that there isn't any way of getting a parameter from infobox VG template in another template). So, my initial idea now is:
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| * Have the Game ID as file name (like G8ME01.png), and add all banner images in a category (Category:Banner images)
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| * Prefer NA banners, then EU banners, then JP banners
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| * Add the banners in the main lists too ([[GameCube]], [[Wii]], etc.) -- Something like delroth is doing for the main site
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| Then, delroth could hotlink the banner images from wiki, this way we could share only one copy of the banner in the main site and in the wiki aswell. [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
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| A user had started to gather banners here previously. The banners from his minor effort to do so are categorized as "Title images" and can be found. See them here, http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=Category:Title_images. I've added John's recent upload to that category.
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| : "Banner images" seems a more accurate category. We can move them to the new category, as we have only a few images uploaded... - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
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| *We'll need to decide if we want all the banner images or not, in some cases there may be 5 or 6 of them per game disc. Since we may be likely to only use one image I'm not clear it makes sense to capture them all.
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| *If we wanted to use these on game pages I'd suggest they be tied into the "Release" section, where it may make sense to capture a title image per region.
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| :: Tried in a sandbox and the infobox got somewhat "ugly" (at least in my opinion). If we're going to use the banner in infobox, putting only one banner image in "see also" section (before the links) seem better. - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
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| *Judging from our current banners, the images seem a bit overly compressed (even though we've re-saved them as PNG to avoid compounding artifacts). Likely not a big deal, but we should try to make sure to avoid compressing them further and increasing artifacts.
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| :: Well, from what I've seen, all banner images delroth got with "bannerget" were extracted directly from the Dolphin's cache file, so, it's compressed only one time. - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
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| *Though I would like to see them on the game list pages, adding 600+ image loads to the page may have a significant impact on performance/load times. The list pages are already fairly slow today (I'm guessing from the many ratings loads), so we should be careful. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 21:21, 6 February 2013 (CET)
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| :: Yep, this is true... Completely forgot the loading times when I suggested this - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
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| ::: There might be a way to get this to be fast with a custom MediaWiki extension and some CSS sprites usage (basically, only one large image would be loaded for each list page). I could learn how to do that if you think it would be a nice addition to the compatibility lists. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 00:52, 7 February 2013 (CET)
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| ::::The list table is rendered through MediaWiki markup, I'm unsure if we can mess CSS sprites with MediaWiki formatting without major issues. However, if this can be done without loading issues, the main list is the best way for having the banner images (better than in infobox VG) - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
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| :This is a good point... Dialup user here so, a giant image would SUCK for me. Lots of smaller images are easier to cache. But a thousand banners on the wii page would suck no matter what for me. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 04:50, 7 February 2013 (CET)
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| == Recent Discussions == | | == Recent Discussions == |
| Below is listed only what was discussed last month. You can [[Project:General_Discussions/Archive|search the archive]] for what was discussed since General Discussions page was created. | | Below is listed of recently concluded discussions. You can [[Project:General_Discussions/Archive|search the archive]] for what was discussed since General Discussions page was created. |
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| === Infobox Automation ===
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| Uh, your changes are breaking a few things. I'll just show you. Any time I make an edit, I get stuff like this: [[Metroid Prime: Trilogy]]. The stuff in the genre area is added as categories, except that area doesn't follow the category conventions. The only solution is to remove the existing categories and modify the genres area to fit the conventions. Of course, the vast majority of game articles' genre areas don't follow those category conventions... - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 05:54, 1 December 2012 (CET)
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| I'm working through correcting the genres now. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 05:55, 1 December 2012 (CET)
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| Cleaned up all the genres responsible for red-link categories, and performed some other general clean-up of the genres. Genre stuff should now be a bit better, but there's a bunch of remaining tasks...
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| *Merge Platform and Platformer genres
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| *Ensure all sports genres are labeled as such, similar genre grouping edits needed elsewhere as well (Role-playing, Shooter, etc.)
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| *Purge in page genre categories / transfer to infobox genres section
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| *Better review available genres for each game an populate as appropriate
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| [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 08:05, 1 December 2012 (CET)
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| Ok, let me just be frank, I didn't like this idea in the first place. Automated infobox categories is limiting for genre blending titles such as this. But it does have some value, as everyone forgets those categories but us, so I see why you did it. So, I think it can work if we're flexible. So like, have "First-person action-adventure" in the infobox, and additional categories to help with navigation and inter-connectivity be nice and neatly tucked away on the bottom, where they belong.
| | === Consider using TitleIDs for Open Issue Search === |
| | Instead of using the game's title to look for open issues, it would be better to use the all possible TitleIDs affiliated with the game. |
| | By using the TitleID, the accuracy of the search is increased to game specific issues. It removes the chance of mixing issues from different games. |
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| Oh, and sorry about that Prime 2 edit. I thought I screwed up, and it didn't occur to me till later that you made changes behind me. Maybe it's meaningless, but I think it's important to handle stuff like this without edit wars, so I try to avoid stuff like that. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 08:53, 1 December 2012 (CET)
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| You're right in my thinking regarding the automation, most pages were very inconsistent between their genre/modes/categories listings. The automation makes it easier to see and maintain our current genre lists and keep things consistent. I'd generally prefer to avoid the duplication of genre information around a games page, so in most cases I'll prefer to just have a long genre's list in the infobox. Having it mixed around the page is confusing the novice editors, who may not notice the multiple edit locations. Even [[Wii Sports + Wii Sports Resort]], the longest current genre list, only ends up taking 5 lines. It's controllers section is 4 lines, so it's not without precedence, and such only occurs on a few pages (the Deca Sports titles are another problematic case).
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| | [https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=Super+Mario+Galaxy&open_issues=1 https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=Super+Mario+Galaxy&open_issues=1] |
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| [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 09:20, 1 December 2012 (CET)
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| I think you have a good idea overall. This could really help expand inter-connectivity and give us a more consistant setup. That's awesome. That being said... I'm an artist, so the flow and structure of the page is very important to me. Still, "Sports, Boxing, Bowling, Golf, Baseball, Tennis, Swordplay, Wakeboarding, Frisbee, Archery, Basketball, Table Tennis, Golf, Bowling, Canoeing/Kayaking, Cycling" is an absolute disaster. And I know I know, the input list is long, but it's just that game, and there is no alternative for it. With genres, there is.
| | [https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMGP01+RMGK01+RMGJ01+RMGE01+RMGR01+RMGC01&all_words=&open_issues=1 https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMGP01+RMGK01+RMGJ01+RMGE01+RMGR01+RMGC01&all_words=&open_issues=1] |
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| I really like having an overflow of sorts for odd pages like this. Sort of how wikipedia handles it, and closer to our original. Whenever someone adds a new game article (other than us regulars), they would just put in what wikipedia has, or nothing at all. I don't think that making it consistent will have any impact on that. And it would give us a much better look to the page. So, for Wii Sports Resort, just have the primary category (Sports) and then fill in all the little blanks we want for interconnectivity. That is much much nicer. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 10:31, 1 December 2012 (CET)
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| I fear we loose the advantages of the automation and end up with inconsistent pages if we operate in a mixed mode. This only seems to be a real issue with ~10 pages, which also seems far too few out of the 1000+ total to be much put off by. Hopefully we can get some input from others. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 11:18, 1 December 2012 (CET)
| | : Sounds reasonable, however, from a quick look, it doesn't seem that trivial to implement since the Game IDs come directly from the DPL extension and I'm not that experienced with its usage... - [[User:mbc07|mbc07]] ([[User talk:mbc07|talk]]) 21:51, 29 May 2020 (CEST) |
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| You know... if we put the platforms back into the infobox, we could get rid of all category additions to the bottom of the page. It would simplify game page creation, especially when pasting from wikipedia. Not to mention help newbies, since it's one less thing to worry about. We could just tell them to delete the non-Nintendo platforms, instead of telling them how to make categories, where to put them, and what categories to use. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 03:31, 7 January 2013 (CET)
| | ::Nah it shouldn't be a big deal to do. Sorry for ninja-ing you but inspired by this idea right after you said that I changed the ID system to save the results of the DPL to a variable, allowing for this change to be made by regexing the variable. As a benefit, we also get [[:Category:Pages with no GameIDs]] which we never had before. It'll take me a bit to do the regexes though since I'm terrible with them... - [[User:Xerxes|Xerxes]] ([[User talk:Xerxes|talk]]) 22:12, 29 May 2020 (CEST) |
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| === Compatibility List PAGESINCAT ===
| | ::Done. It uses IDs for the issue tracker search on pages that have IDs, and on pages that don't have IDs, it uses the page title. - [[User:Xerxes|Xerxes]] ([[User talk:Xerxes|talk]]) 00:33, 30 May 2020 (CEST) |
| [[Virtual Console]] says "This lists 24 titles released on Virtual Console for the Nintendo Wii video game system". ...there is way more than 24 games in that list. It is, of course, because of the pages in category function. Only 24 virtual console pages have been made, but there are hundreds available which exist on the list as empties. This quirk is present on almost all of the compatibility lists right now, as there are a ton of empties all over this wiki thanks to scripts which added games to the list to keep it accurate and encourage people to add pages. I support that concept: filling them in slowly over time sure beats trying to do it all at once. The pages in category issue could always be solved by making tons of pages fill empties, but uh...
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| | : It is fairly common for the GameIDs to be missing from issues that are ill-reported. We should probably search for the game's name in addition to the GameIDs to get those cases. - [[User:MayImilae|MayImilae]] ([[User talk:MayImilae|talk]]) 13:36, 3 June 2020 (CEST) |
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| 3. by the time the wiki's list is updated, that's ''thousands of empties to fill'', so yea, alot of work.
| | ::Sure, that makes sense. I'll have it do both. My reasoning was that people would know to use the issue tracker for the game's title intuitively but not necessarily know how to search the IDs, so users would try searching the title on their own, but just searching for both to begin with makes more sense. - [[User:Xerxes|Xerxes]] ([[User talk:Xerxes|talk]]) 20:10, 3 June 2020 (CEST) |
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| Really, we'd need scripts to do this effectively, and that means figuring out the scripting API, getting delroth's and parlane's help, and alllll that. Without scripts, that means making thousands of pages manually, and that would take obscene amounts of time, even if they are blanks (something I think is quite dumb). So yea, making that PAGESINCAT thing display the right number is a absolute gigantic mess, so I say let's just avoid the problem entirely and remove the PAGESINCAT bit from all the pages. I don't think anyone is going to object to me saving us obscene amounts of work, so I'm going to just remove it. But in case anyone has alternatives, and because the tiny edit summary blank couldn't fit the explanation, I'm putting it here. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 12:00, 4 December 2012 (CET)
| | ::: Apparently Redmine only can search for 5 terms, cutting off the rest of the search results (unless using its api). [https://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/RedmineSearch#Search-controller https://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/RedmineSearch#Search-controller] This means a wildcard is needed at the region character if a title has 5 or more GameIDs. Also, the title would need to be in quotes, so it doesn't search for "Super" & "Mario" & "Galaxy". |
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| === Suspicious Users ===
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| I suspect a spammer is trying to build up some user accounts. These users have odd names that seem randomly generated, and were created without performing any edits:
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| *Racn42pysi
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| *Jan5318bwi
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| *WoodrowWcx
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| *Boscaposi
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| *Gaye6z37ge
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| *Err225deki
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| *Con67sy5ba
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| *Jan3jvudju
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| *Sig96yx8gi
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| *Joh4hvfuke
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| *Fra5befxli
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| *DarleneLfy
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| *Yacht member1
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| *Simsmagic
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| *Mer8qq9ysh
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| *Wal6291kst
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| *Civ1994
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| *Cprs (This ones a bit different than the others, and may be unrelated)
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| *Teoberpriller98
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| *Seloy93
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| *Cukali36
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| *Caphung49
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| *Hbryon39
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| *Filorraine31
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| *Tplautz19
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| *Shstoermer22
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| *Mtamie82
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| *Mr.Shibby (This ones a bit different than the others, and may be unrelated)
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| *TopFunny525
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| *Tohemmings32
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| *Rkisamore30
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| *Tahuna16
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| *Qusills78
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| *BrandenTd (This ones a bit different than the others, and may be unrelated)
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| *Xiao21
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| *Sowestrum37
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| *Duflorentino31
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| Which covers the suspicious ones over the last 100 user registrations, though there are many more of these. I'm reluctant to perform preemptive blocks, but have a feeling we'll still be cleaning up after spammers for some time if we don't.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 08:56, 24 November 2012 (CET)
| | :::[https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMGP01+RMGK01+RMGJ01+RMGE01+RMGR01+RMGC01&all_words=&open_issues=1 https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMGP01+RMGK01+RMGJ01+RMGE01+RMGR01+RMGC01&all_words=&open_issues=1] |
| | :::to this: |
| | :::[https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMG_01+%22Super+Mario+Galaxy%22&all_words=&open_issues=1 https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMG_01+%22Super+Mario+Galaxy%22&all_words=&open_issues=1] |
| | ::: - [[User:Techydude3|Techydude3]] ([[User talk:Techydude3|talk]]) 16:02, 4 June 2020 (CEST) |
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| It is probably someone failing to use the SEO spambot tools properly, and not a nefarious plot for later. After all, I've never seen a spambot come back later, they have always ''always'' joined then immediately spammed. Here, you should [http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/3191/revealed-the-grubby-world-of-comment-spam/ read this article], it gives a ton of information on the kind of spam we get here at the wiki. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 12:04, 4 December 2012 (CET)
| | ::::That would actually be pretty challenging and require a lot of work pre-processing the ID list before the search (not all games use one single ID with different region codes, in fact in some cases they can go all over the place). I'll mull it over. The nicer solution would be a change on the issue tracker side to allow more search terms but searching by title works well enough anyways. On the quotes, I already put the game titles in quotes for the search because I was testing different pages and the Dead Space page picked up a ton of different issues casually using the word "dead", so yeah those are totally necessary if "all words" is disabled. I think what I'll do for now is put the title in quotes first in the search, then the IDs afterwards, so at least the cutoff will be some of the IDs and not the game's title. - [[User:Xerxes|Xerxes]] ([[User talk:Xerxes|talk]]) 20:29, 4 June 2020 (CEST) |
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| Solved by the change to question based captchas. Fixed by Delroth in late December of 2012. No new suspicious users or spammers are being made, but the old ones remain.
| | :::: I think we could reorder the search string construction, so it becomes "game name" + game IDs. The 6th term and forward would still be ignored by Redmine but I think it's acceptable, as it would still be sufficient for most games and would still be more broad than the previous search that considered only the game name... - [[User:mbc07|mbc07]] ([[User talk:mbc07|talk]]) 01:30, 5 June 2020 (CEST) |
