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== Open Discussions ==
== Open Discussions ==
=== Global Problems Template ===
=== Global Replacement Request ===
Splitting this to get more attention. Well, I started coding the global problems template for VC games, and before I continue the work, I need to get opinion of you guys regarding how we'll handle the universal problems in every VC game page. First off, I fell this necessary because some users just jump directly in the game page through context menu option in the emulator or by the forum thread, so, we need to add the universal problems in the game page too. Regardless of what design we choose, we'll need to add a template call in every VC game page (yes, it's a booooring job that has to be done -- at least there aren't to much VC game pages created). But before I continue working in the template, we need to decide how we'll show this, and I have two suggestions: first, calling the template without an argument (eg. in a game page) create a section named "Global Problems", and parse the problems for that system. The second one, is adding the template call after the specific problems, this way, the global problems will just appear together with the specific problems. Do you guys have any other suggestion? What you prefer? I vote for the first one... [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
A spot to capture global replacement requests:
* <s>Update testing/entry template to always include "tester=" field. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 01:36, 29 May 2015 (CEST)</s> (done at some point?)


<s>I could ask delroth</s> I asked delroth about making a script for putting the global problems template into every VC game page. As soon as we get thing settled on how it should be used, he should be able to commit the global problems to every VC game page. To that end we might want to double check as make sure all the virtual console games are in [[:Category:Virtual Console]], as that's what I was going to suggest he use (unless you guys have a better idea?). As for the options, I vote for the first one. A "global problems" section in each game would be better; having the global problems inline could cause some confusion. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 09:35, 3 August 2013 (CEST)
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Ok, if we're going to use the first suggestion, we'll need to add the following in every VC game page:


<pre>
=== Error with Slash in Search ===
{{GlobalProblems/<system>}} <!-- To edit the <system> VC Global Problems, navigate to "Template:GlobalProblems/<system>" (copy to the search box)-->
Using a forward slash in a search term (i.e. "NA/EU") results in a long set of Wiki errors...
</pre>
"Warning: preg_match() [function.preg-match]: Unknown modifier ')' in /home/dolphin-emu/apps/wiki/includes/search/SearchEngine.php on line 1402"
[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 22:01, 28 August 2013 (CEST)


This way I can code the template to only show the Global Problems section if there are global problems for that platform so I can get rid of the <no problems placeholder> -- any objections?
Now it's...
Warning: preg_match(): Unknown modifier ')' in /home/dolphin-emu/apps/wiki/includes/search/SearchHighlighter.php on line 512
...but this still occurs. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 07:04, 13 March 2017 (CET)


About the automation, I'm unsure if we can use [[:Category:Virtual Console]], because the text above changes from platform to platform... We need to replace <system> with N64 in N64 VC game pages, SNES in SNES, etc. Do we have category based on platform for the VC titles? If this doesn't work, I'm ok in doing this manually (we haven't a lot of VC game pages created, anyway)


Furthermore, the global problems will be shown before or after the specific problems? I think before is better, so we have Global Problems section (it'll show only if there are at least one global problem for that platform), and after that, the regular Problems section like we have now. What do you guys think? [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
=== Very Odd Query API Error ===
For some unknown reason, searching for 'SNES' with the Wikimedia API gives a 500 error. Typing in other searches, like 'Super Nintendo Entertainment System', 'SMS' or other games work. There is no other known queries that cause this. I have nailed it down to the 'redirects' parameter being, but it does not make sense why it works with other queries but SNES.


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Here is the link in question: https://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/api.php?action=query&utf8=1&redirects&format=json&prop=info|categories&inprop=url&titles=SNES


You're right. Fortunately, every VC game has two categories: [[:Category:Virtual Console games]] and the system category, say, [[:Category:SNES games]]. We can use that to pick between the platforms. And I agree with you: putting global problems before the standard problems is probably the best option. Well, it seems like we agree, I don't know where Kolano is though... Well, I'd prefer to wait until Kolano chimes in. Or at least just wait a couple days then go with it.
[[User:Techydude3|Techydude3]] ([[User talk:Techydude3|talk]]) 00:12, 15 March 2021 (CET)


Well, once we get everything settled, I can send delroth an email about the script. Or perhaps it's better if you do it Jhonn? You are more involved with the template. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 04:36, 4 August 2013 (CEST)
== Recent Discussions ==
:Well, I'll just wait a bit more to get Kolano opinion and then finish the template. After that we see how we'll handle the migration... [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
Below is listed of recently concluded discussions. You can [[Project:General_Discussions/Archive|search the archive]] for what was discussed since General Discussions page was created.
 
=== Universal problems are buried ===
I know VC titles are pretty low on the totem pole, but they are pretty cool to play in Dolphin. That said, they are kind of a crapshoot. There are a lot of problems with these games. NES, SNES, Genesis, they all have universal issues spanning every game. But uh, the universal problems are only on the system pages. The virtual console page shows every title, and people just click the game in that and boom. It's convenient, but no one goes to the system pages where the universal problems are. No one ever sees the universal problems. So, I have two solutions I'd like to propose to fix this.
 
*1. A grid of buttons for systems on the Virtual Console page, sort of like the mainpage's. That way people can easily access pages for systems, and see the universal problems and stuff. Of course I'll have to dust off that gamepage project and get them up to snuff, but eh, I can do that.
*2. A universal issues template. Considering it would only have to copy paste text, it should be pretty simple. The only issue I can forsee is integrating it in with the layout of the pages (like how various problems have links in the nav). Might be worth ignoring that however. But yea, ideally, all we'd have to do is put <nowiki>{{universalproblems|SNES}}</nowiki> onto all the SNES game pages, and bam, we have a super easy way to change the universal problems across the board.
 
Any thoughts on these ideas? For or against? - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 20:09, 5 March 2013 (CET)
 
:Hm, I liked... I can help with the templates, and if we change the main [[Virtual Console]] page to grid of buttons (like the main page), I can delete some crappy templates we've around here (some unfinished work that I didn't touch in the last 2 years -- completely useless now). Also, since we're going to do major changes in the main [[Virtual Console]], we could implement also an infobox with common information about the service, like the infobox we got in GameCube and Wii page. Regardless of what we do, I'm in with this whole thing - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) 22:29, 5 March 2013 (CET)
 
:I'd also be on board for both changes. Sub-pages for VC systems will eliminate some of the template issues there (i.e. one can't edit the lists from the main page), and generating {{{{universalproblems}} templates will allow universal issues to be universally shown (though some special handling may be needed to get the edit links right). I'd also suggest adding sub-links below the "Virtual Console" link in the sidebar for the system pages, which would make them more quickly accessible. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 00:43, 6 March 2013 (CET)
 
 
I hadn't forgotten about this, I just hadn't gotten around to implementing it. That ends now :D. First up is making the Virtual Console list use thumbnails. See [[Virtual Console/sandbox1]]. There are a couple of things I'd like you guys' input on.
*Thumbnail arrangement - I took a very different approach here than what the main page does.  I really like it. It's much more flexible, able to span all of a giant widescreen monitor or compress down to be easy to use on a phone in portrait. And it matches the nature of the text. I like it so much I'd like to use it on the mainpage if possible. What do you guys think? I could always go with what the mainpage does instead (centered, 5x2 arrangement).
*Arcade versus Virtual Console Arcade - Nintendo calls it the "Virtual Console Arcade", but here on the wiki it's always been just "Arcade". Any objections to changing it to Virtual Console Arcade? I'd rather like to do that.
*The Platforms template lacks a lot of options that I could use. See [[wikipedia:Virtual Console]]. Any objections if I add a whole bunch?
Random block of text so my signature isn't in the bullet points and it's easier to comment beneath me. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 18:34, 19 July 2013 (CEST)
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The revised VC page looks nice...
*It may be better if the images were centered rather than right aligned. I think it should be possible to set that up and still have them flow to an arbitrary width.
*I had generally preferred to just use "Arcade" since that better aligns with our naming of the other platforms (i.e. it's not "Virtual Console Sega Master System"), but if you want to align with the Nintendo naming that's fine with me.
*Not quite clear what other options you are after, we seem to cover most of what's used on the Wikipedia sidebar...
**Launch date would seem to be equivalent to our "Retail availability"
**The "platform" option seems pointless for us, since we'll only cover Wii VC titles.
**We have a website option
 
[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 17:17, 20 July 2013 (CEST)
 
:NICE! I had wanted to center it, but I didn't know how to center it while keeping the flexible width. Thanks. Any problems with applying this to the main page? - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 19:11, 20 July 2013 (CEST)
 
:: Done [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 21:52, 20 July 2013 (CEST)
 
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I liked the changes. For me we already can take the new page out of the sandbox and replace the older one. For the Arcade vs Virtual Console Arcade, I also prefer just "Arcade". Furthermore, the new grid we're using in Virtual Console and Main page could be tweaked a bit more so all of them use the same size.
 
Since we started changing the things related to virtual console pages and that I'm getting my vacation soon, the chances of starting the creation of the global problems template this week are pretty high, but I'm not sure how they'll work. Before I start, let me expose what I'll try to code (and let me know of any objection):
 
* In the main page VC we'll have a simple call to <nowiki>{{globalproblems}}</nowiki>. This call will show the global problems (like we have now).
* In every subpage (N64, SNES, etc.) we'll have a simple call to <nowiki>{{globalproblems|<insert system here>}}</nowiki>. This call will show the global problems of that specific platform.
* (Just an idea right now) In every VC game page, we'll have a call to the system, like the item above... This way we show the global problems in the game page too. Im not sure in this item, maybe we get too much redundancy?
 
Let'me know what you guys think, I'll do my best to make this template this week... [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
 
:Well, I disagree with you guys on the arcade, as "Virtual Console Arcade" is an exception to the systems rule, but alright, I won't fight on it. I have no idea what I'll do with that page though, if I can't use the virtual console arcade thumbnail and description... Anyway, as for the VC page, I'll go ahead and port it over. I don't know what to do about the grid size problem. I tried a bunch of stuff and didn't really get anywhere; it's still slightly off. Any suggestions? Lastly, the global problems template: You didn't mention where the editing of these problems takes place. I assume it would be in template:globalproblems? The template has all the systems global problems in one place, and you can edit them all there? As for having universal problems on each gamepage, we'll have to talk about that. It is reduntant, but without it users that just do a search to bring up games (a very common practice) would never see the global problems. I'm in favor of it (if we can get it to work well), so let's see what Kolano thinks and go from there. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 05:27, 22 July 2013 (CEST)
 
:Oh yea, almost forgot. I'm not going to mess with the virtual console ratings templates. I know the plan is to make it so you can just hit edit a VC system page and edit it from there, just like you can on the Wii and GC pages, but uh, I'm afraid that if I do it I'm going to break everything. And honestly, with the compatibility page on the main site linking to those templates, it probably will regardless. When changing it double check the main page's compatibility page, and if they break send a PM to delroth about it, or let me know and I'll tell him. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 05:40, 22 July 2013 (CEST)
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The VC ratings templates can (and probably will) be deprecated as soon as we merge the new page from sandbox, because the only functionality they provided was the master list in our old VC page (that is result of unfinished work: ugly and can't be easily sorted). I can do the move, but I prefer to wait the new VC page getting out of the sandbox. After that, the lists would work the same way of GC and Wii lists.
 
About the global problems, yes, we add the problems one time in {{tl|globalproblems}} and the template code does the linking. We can have sections for problems of every platform and global problems all in the main {{tl|globalproblems}} or have subsections for every platform ({{tl|globalproblems/NES}}, {{tl|globalproblems/N64}}, etc -- like what we do with navigation template). [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
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*The VC page needs a revision to keep the centering appropriate when part of the grid overlaps the sidebar. Should be similar to changes applied for similar reasons to the Version Compatibility graphs.
*If we reduce the padding there to 2px, we probably should do so on the home page too.
[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 18:58, 22 July 2013 (CEST)
 
=== MediaWiki upgrade ===
 
Hey everyone. Working on upgrading MediaWiki in order to keep up with the latest version. I'm also going to work on a DB engine migration soonish (in the next few hours). Ignore the errors you see for the next 12h. If you notice some errors 12h from now, please let me know and I'll do my best to fix them ASAP. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 22:16, 18 June 2013 (CEST)
: After 3h spent moving data from MySQL to PostgreSQL and fixing errors (seriously, that DB had so much crap in it... constraints were completely broken because MySQL did not enforce them), everything should be working again. If you notice any error, please send me an email (delroth@gmail.com), I might not look at this page. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 01:27, 19 June 2013 (CEST)
:: And if it's a design/visual issue, try to Ctrl+F5 and Ctrl+R before reporting the error. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 01:32, 19 June 2013 (CEST)
 
Started noticing errors when updating images on the site. Some examples:
* http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=File:ZumbaFitnessCoreWii.jpg
* http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=File:BillysBootCampWii.jpg
* http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=File:CrashOfTheTitansWii.jpg
I saw some SQL related errors when I updated BillysBootCampWii.jpg, but couldn't replicate them. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 10:20, 20 June 2013 (CEST)
: Fixed [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 13:50, 29 June 2013 (CEST)
 
Also: started to move everything Dolphin related over SSL. All accesses to wiki.dolphin-emu.org should now be automatically redirected to https. If you notice any problem caused by that, please let me know (email). [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 13:50, 29 June 2013 (CEST)


=== uDraw Wiimote / Inputs Handling ===
I read a bunch of reviews on the udraw games, and they all appear to be the same: The wiimote is not used any at all in the udraw games, it only provides power and connectivity. There is another accessory that works this way: the classic controller. Throughout the wiki, the classic controller is alone, and shown as just "Classic Controller" even though it requires a wiimote to power and provide connectivity. So, for that reason, I believe the udraw games should only have the udraw gametablet in the controller section. Any objections? - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 01:41, 21 May 2013 (CEST)


Not sure. Regarding the Classic Controller, I'd kind of want to list the Wii Remote as well as the Classic Controller. That seems to be the way it's handled now outside of a few Virtual Console titles, though that may be due those games providing Wii Remote input too. I do apologize about renaming GameTablet to just Tablet, which I did to align with the regex's in infobox that pick up on the string "uDraw Tablet". Since noticing it's official name is the uDraw GameTablet I feel it should be named that way, but didn't want to muck around with all the related pages last night (it is on my "to do" list though).
=== Consider using TitleIDs for Open Issue Search ===
Instead of using the game's title to look for open issues, it would be better to use the all possible TitleIDs affiliated with the game.
By using the TitleID, the accuracy of the search is increased to game specific issues. It removes the chance of mixing issues from different games.


In general since, per my current understanding, even if one has a uDraw Tablet you also need a Wii Remote to play I'm disprone to not list it as well as the uDraw. Honestly, we need a better format to distinguish optional from non-optional accessories, since I think there are a number of games that have Wii Remote + Nunchuk, where the Nunchuk is actually optional. In these cases the Wii Remote isn't optional though, so I'm prone to list it. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 06:44, 21 May 2013 (CEST)
For example:
Super Mario Galaxy


Well, the way I view it is control combinations. That's what's actually useful. Wiimote + Nunchuk makes sense for games that use them both. But there is even a Wii game that uses just the nunchuk and ignores the wiimote entirely, and it lists only the nunchuk (unless you changed it and I didn't notice). The other approach is to list the devices, but that really sucks in games like smash brothers, which use a wide variety of combinations. So yea... Seems we disagree. What now? - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 09:49, 21 May 2013 (CEST)


Yeah, I'm not sure yet. Typically I've just been going by the listing on the rear of the NA/EU boxes that provides icons for each device supported. Beyond that I haven't been worrying about how the devices are used much, since it's hard to know exactly which control schemes are possible (i.e. is the nunchuk optional, can the nunchuk be used by itself, etc.) without the game. If there is a game that lists only the nunchuk now I would prefer to list it as "Wii Mote + Nunchuk", since I'd guess that's what the box would indicate. Maybe this could be resolved by providing separate input and control scheme rows, or perhaps just some clearer rules on how to indicate different control schemes (i.e. perhaps enable unbolding optional controls, though in this case the Wii Remote isn't really optional, and actually I'd guess based on how it slides into the uDraw that the buttons on the Wii Remote are used in games). These devices are different than things like the Wii Balance Board though, since they do use the Wii Remote for Bluetooth communication.
Original Search:


One good thing to capture, if we do try to tackle control schemes would be games that support sideways Wii Remotes vs standard use, since there are clearly Dolphin options related to such.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 16:52, 21 May 2013 (CEST)
[https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=Super+Mario+Galaxy&open_issues=1 https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=Super+Mario+Galaxy&open_issues=1]


I looked up reviews on almost all of the udraw games. I couldn't find ''a single one'' that used the buttons on the Wii Remote. Reviewers even commented about this, for example asking why a platformer game was controlled with the stylus when there was a dpad right there. To my knowledge, the udraw games do not use the wii remote ''at all''. And yea, I agree with you on the sideways wiimote bit. I never really found a way to handle it though. Well, I really like the control config setup. It's very useful. And it usually isn't that difficult to figure out "Wiimote and nuchuk" 99% of the time means "wiimote + nunchuk" for example. Well, perhaps we should move this to the general discussions page, and try to get Jhonn's opinion? - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 00:34, 22 May 2013 (CEST)


Well, I think we should list all required inputs. For example, Classic controller needs Wii Remote to function properly, so, list Classic Controller and Wiimote, the same for uDraw tablet. Also, my suggestion for required and optional inputs would be using icons for all inputs (even the optionals), something like what we have on WiiBrew wiki (here is [http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Deadly_Cobra_Wii an example] -- the infobox has a lot of icons, we could get only input related ones). This "design" can also provide visual feedback about how many controllers are supported in multiplayer and if the game uses sideways wiimote, etc. This would require a major rewrite of the wiki pages, but I think it's our best bet, since we don't have a standard for input listings. Also, since we don't have a documented "standard" right now, we can create one now and list it in [[Project:Wiki conventions]]. Furthermore, the input icons used in WiiBrew are using Creative Commons license, we could use (or create our icons based on it) without copyright/licensing issues... [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
Proposed Search:


I disagree on the required inputs bit. Especially for VC games and the like, it seems rather silly to list the Wii Remote when it does absolutely nothing at all ever for an entire class of games. Also, we have a standard, the combinations style is everywhere :P. Oh well, seems I'm outvoted on this. And it would be easier... Well, if we're going to have it just list the devices instead of combinations, what do we do with cases where things are complicated? The whole combinations system came about because of games like [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] where one device can perform multiple functions. Is there anyway to address this? - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 01:50, 25 May 2013 (CEST)
[https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMGP01+RMGK01+RMGJ01+RMGE01+RMGR01+RMGC01&all_words=&open_issues=1 https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMGP01+RMGK01+RMGJ01+RMGE01+RMGR01+RMGC01&all_words=&open_issues=1]


Well, in this case, List only uDraw Game Tablet and Classic Controller separated and add the combination system to all pages (to the VC games too). Whatever we do, add documentation to it somewhere to prevent future issues. Another option, if we're going to use the icons, is "merging" normal icons to represent combinations (like wiimote + nunchuck), but in this case, we leave Classic controller and uDraw as a separate icon, without combining them with wiimote... [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
[[User:Techydude3|Techydude3]] ([[User talk:Techydude3|talk]]) 20:45, 29 May 2020 (CEST)


=== Forum Link Issues with Ampersand ===
: Sounds reasonable, however, from a quick look, it doesn't seem that trivial to implement since the Game IDs come directly from the DPL extension and I'm not that experienced with its usage... - [[User:mbc07|mbc07]] ([[User talk:mbc07|talk]]) 21:51, 29 May 2020 (CEST)
It seems when content from the wiki is pulled into the forum ampersands in links are not escaped properly (i.e. "&" > "%26"). This causes the links to either be broken, or in some cases such as [[We Ski & Snowboard]] an entirely wrong page to be linked. [[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 16:38, 23 April 2013 (CEST)
: We should inform delroth, since the links works and are parsed correctly when we are in the wiki, this probably is an issue with the "wiki => forum" rendering engine. [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
:: There is a bit of a bleh situation going on right now... delroth isn't available to be contacted. It will be a while. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 22:04, 23 April 2013 (CEST)
 
== Recent Discussions ==
Below is listed only what was discussed last month. You can [[Project:General_Discussions/Archive|search the archive]] for what was discussed since General Discussions page was created.


=== TOC Issues ===
::Nah it shouldn't be a big deal to do. Sorry for ninja-ing you but inspired by this idea right after you said that I changed the ID system to save the results of the DPL to a variable, allowing for this change to be made by regexing the variable. As a benefit, we also get [[:Category:Pages with no GameIDs]] which we never had before. It'll take me a bit to do the regexes though since I'm terrible with them... - [[User:Xerxes|Xerxes]] ([[User talk:Xerxes|talk]]) 22:12, 29 May 2020 (CEST)


While working on the Dolphin Manual I've realized that it's going to have content box that will GIGANTIC. The biggest content box on the wiki ever. It will be even worse than the [[FAQ]]. I need a way to deal with this. Looking around, I found this: [[wikipedia:Template:TOC limit]] on wikipedia. It looks extremely simple, with very short code, and it would help. Honestly I'd rather have a put the TOC into the sidebar, like the mainsite's faq, but since we can't do that... this will do. Do you guys have any better ideas, or should I go on ahead and try this template? (and inevitably break something and need Jhonn to bail me out :P) - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 06:47, 18 April 2013 (CEST)
::Done. It uses IDs for the issue tracker search on pages that have IDs, and on pages that don't have IDs, it uses the page title. - [[User:Xerxes|Xerxes]] ([[User talk:Xerxes|talk]]) 00:33, 30 May 2020 (CEST)
: Well, this fix the issues with the big TOC, so, you should try... The template is very simple, the only possible issue would be with our custom CSS schemes, but it should work without any problem - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
:: Ok, implemented it. Luckily, the template didn't cause issues with our custom CSS schemes (YAY!) [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
::: Thanks. See, now I'm so scared of templates that the time I asked you to do it, I actually could have done it *facepalm*. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 22:04, 23 April 2013 (CEST)
:::: Don't be scared guy, found a template, implement it. Caused issues or broke things? Don't worry, sooner or later somebody will help fixing it, after all, it's a community! It's the best way of learning, when the wiki was born (mid-2010, in Mamario's server), I spent a looong time breaking things when implementing templates, and almost all times I needed Kolano, Keller999 and ThatLuciano to fix up the mess. You'll see, soon you'll be creating/implementing very complex templates without any issues =D - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])


=== Heads up: website guides now hosted on the wiki ===
:::Thanks! I appreciate your assistance.- [[User:Techydude3|Techydude3]] ([[User talk:Techydude3|talk]]) 01:39, 30 May 2020 (CEST)


Just so you know, MaJoR is probably aware of it since we already talked about it on IRC: the guides displayed on http://dolphin-emu.org/docs/guides/ are now hosted on the Dolphin Wiki. I purposely did not make it too obvious on the website (no link to the wiki page, no edit link, etc.) to avoid attracting vandals.
: It is fairly common for the GameIDs to be missing from issues that are ill-reported. We should probably search for the game's name in addition to the GameIDs to get those cases. - [[User:MayImilae|MayImilae]] ([[User talk:MayImilae|talk]]) 13:36, 3 June 2020 (CEST)


If you want me to add any other good quality guide to the website, ping me by email (best way to make sure I notice your ping... I tend to miss stuff happening on the wiki).
::Sure, that makes sense. I'll have it do both. My reasoning was that people would know to use the issue tracker for the game's title intuitively but not necessarily know how to search the IDs, so users would try searching the title on their own, but just searching for both to begin with makes more sense. - [[User:Xerxes|Xerxes]] ([[User talk:Xerxes|talk]]) 20:10, 3 June 2020 (CEST)


Thanks for these guides, and try to keep them up to date :) [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 19:36, 9 April 2013 (CEST)
::: Apparently Redmine only can search for 5 terms, cutting off the rest of the search results (unless using its api). [https://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/RedmineSearch#Search-controller https://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/RedmineSearch#Search-controller] This means a wildcard is needed at the region character if a title has 5 or more GameIDs. Also, the title would need to be in quotes, so it doesn't search for "Super" & "Mario" & "Galaxy".


:Really cool, but the main site is multilingual and the wiki is English only... How we'll address that? Also, maybe we can remove the wiki's FAQ now since the FAQ of the main site is multilingual and the one in the wiki is just a duplicate, and english only... What do you guys think? [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
:::Basically, the link changes from this:


::Not sure how to handle guides translations - I think in the first place we should try to get good quality english guides, then think about translating them. My current idea is to export the wiki pages as separate Transifex projects, and have a bot syncing the Transifex translations with wiki pages named like "Performance guide (fr)" or "Performance guide (de)". I don't really want to work on it atm, if I haven't done anything about it in a month just ping me. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 23:34, 9 April 2013 (CEST)
:::[https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMGP01+RMGK01+RMGJ01+RMGE01+RMGR01+RMGC01&all_words=&open_issues=1 https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMGP01+RMGK01+RMGJ01+RMGE01+RMGR01+RMGC01&all_words=&open_issues=1]
:::Don't worry. However, my only suggestion here is using subpages instead of separate ones, like what we do with the Navigation template (eg. "Performance guide/en", "Performance guide/de", "Performance guide/fr") [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
:::to this:
:::[https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMG_01+%22Super+Mario+Galaxy%22&all_words=&open_issues=1 https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMG_01+%22Super+Mario+Galaxy%22&all_words=&open_issues=1]
::: - [[User:Techydude3|Techydude3]] ([[User talk:Techydude3|talk]]) 16:02, 4 June 2020 (CEST)


::Delroth just gave me access to the main site's FAQ. Well... there wasn't a lot of activity on the wiki FAQ anyway, so hopefully that will help keep everything up to date. So I guess now it's time to remove our FAQ and link to the main site's FAQ. Anyone opposed? - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 00:56, 10 April 2013 (CEST)
::::That would actually be pretty challenging and require a lot of work pre-processing the ID list before the search (not all games use one single ID with different region codes, in fact in some cases they can go all over the place). I'll mull it over. The nicer solution would be a change on the issue tracker side to allow more search terms but searching by title works well enough anyways. On the quotes, I already put the game titles in quotes for the search because I was testing different pages and the Dead Space page picked up a ton of different issues casually using the word "dead", so yeah those are totally necessary if "all words" is disabled. I think what I'll do for now is put the title in quotes first in the search, then the IDs afterwards, so at least the cutoff will be some of the IDs and not the game's title. - [[User:Xerxes|Xerxes]] ([[User talk:Xerxes|talk]]) 20:29, 4 June 2020 (CEST)
::: We should have done this a long time ago, the wiki FAQ always had duplicated content, even when the site was hosted in Mamario's servers. Delete the Wiki FAQ!!! [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
:::: OK, but seems counter to the change that started this (i.e. moving guides from site to wiki). Why is it better that only limited folks can maintain the FAQ? If it's the content duplication that's of concern we might want to get rid of the other FAQ, and preserve the editable one on the wiki.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 04:06, 12 April 2013 (CEST)
::::: The FAQ on the main website has several features that we want to preserve, most importantly internationalization. That's one of the reasons why I'm limiting who can edit the FAQ: every edit needs translators for more than 15 languages to update their versions of the FAQ. If one has to go, it won't be the one from the main website. I'm open to giving more people access to it though, it will never be completely open though. [[User:Delroth|delroth]] ([[User talk:Delroth|talk]]) 09:39, 12 April 2013 (CEST)
:::::: Deleted the wiki FAQ, and redirected to the mainsite FAQ. I have access, so if you see something just let me know. Delroth is going to be away for a while, but other devs have access to the site, so it shouldn't be too difficult to add someone if you ask. I see no reason why you guys (Jhonn and Kolano) couldn't be given access to the mainsite FAQ to help out. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 22:51, 23 April 2013 (CEST)


=== AX-HLE ===
:::: I think we could reorder the search string construction, so it becomes "game name" + game IDs. The 6th term and forward would still be ignored by Redmine but I think it's acceptable, as it would still be sufficient for most games and would still be more broad than the previous search that considered only the game name... - [[User:mbc07|mbc07]] ([[User talk:mbc07|talk]]) 01:30, 5 June 2020 (CEST)
According to Delroth, the new AX-HLE merger should fix the vast majority of DSP HLE issues. How are we going to update this? It's a ton of games, and I doubt we'll be able to get someone to test everything... - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 21:19, 2 April 2013 (CEST)
:A rough approach would be filtering games that doesn't use AX UCode (Zelda, Mario Galaxy, etc.) and then crossing out all HLE problems in all game pages... It'll be easier to filter out games that doesn't use AX UCode than filtering games that use it... -[[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]])
::I asked Delroth, and unfortunately he doesn't have a list like that. One of the other devs might though. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 21:58, 2 April 2013 (CEST)
:::Yeah, this is why the various developer infobox fields never got filled in properly. They would have been what we'd need to filter on something like this.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 22:13, 2 April 2013 (CEST)
:::: Unfortunately we can't rely on that entirely. Skyward Sword uses AX. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 22:20, 2 April 2013 (CEST)
::There are [http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&redirs=0&ns0=1&search=HLE a lot of HLE mentions] on the Wiki though it's unclear how many of those ~2132 results are from test results and the like (If we can perform a regex search we can probably whittle that down to just the pages mentioning HLE in problems/compatibility). My guess would be that the HLE update will effect a bunch of titles that we never logged problems for though, so appropriately accounting for the update will still be problematic, even if we account for reviewing all the current HLE issues. I wonder if we could work out some scanning tools, similar to the ones for the title icon uploads to get a better DB of these sorts of wide-scale software types. There are various issues related to use of certain unsupported video codecs that might also be nice to scan for, I'm guessing there are other examples.[[User:Kolano|Kolano]] ([[User talk:Kolano|talk]]) 22:13, 2 April 2013 (CEST)

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Global Replacement Request

A spot to capture global replacement requests:

  • Update testing/entry template to always include "tester=" field. Kolano (talk) 01:36, 29 May 2015 (CEST) (done at some point?)


Error with Slash in Search

Using a forward slash in a search term (i.e. "NA/EU") results in a long set of Wiki errors... "Warning: preg_match() [function.preg-match]: Unknown modifier ')' in /home/dolphin-emu/apps/wiki/includes/search/SearchEngine.php on line 1402" Kolano (talk) 22:01, 28 August 2013 (CEST)

Now it's... Warning: preg_match(): Unknown modifier ')' in /home/dolphin-emu/apps/wiki/includes/search/SearchHighlighter.php on line 512 ...but this still occurs. Kolano (talk) 07:04, 13 March 2017 (CET)


Very Odd Query API Error

For some unknown reason, searching for 'SNES' with the Wikimedia API gives a 500 error. Typing in other searches, like 'Super Nintendo Entertainment System', 'SMS' or other games work. There is no other known queries that cause this. I have nailed it down to the 'redirects' parameter being, but it does not make sense why it works with other queries but SNES.

Here is the link in question: https://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/api.php?action=query&utf8=1&redirects&format=json&prop=info%7Ccategories&inprop=url&titles=SNES

Techydude3 (talk) 00:12, 15 March 2021 (CET)

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Consider using TitleIDs for Open Issue Search

Instead of using the game's title to look for open issues, it would be better to use the all possible TitleIDs affiliated with the game. By using the TitleID, the accuracy of the search is increased to game specific issues. It removes the chance of mixing issues from different games.

For example: Super Mario Galaxy


Original Search:

https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=Super+Mario+Galaxy&open_issues=1


Proposed Search:

https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMGP01+RMGK01+RMGJ01+RMGE01+RMGR01+RMGC01&all_words=&open_issues=1

Techydude3 (talk) 20:45, 29 May 2020 (CEST)

Sounds reasonable, however, from a quick look, it doesn't seem that trivial to implement since the Game IDs come directly from the DPL extension and I'm not that experienced with its usage... - mbc07 (talk) 21:51, 29 May 2020 (CEST)
Nah it shouldn't be a big deal to do. Sorry for ninja-ing you but inspired by this idea right after you said that I changed the ID system to save the results of the DPL to a variable, allowing for this change to be made by regexing the variable. As a benefit, we also get Category:Pages with no GameIDs which we never had before. It'll take me a bit to do the regexes though since I'm terrible with them... - Xerxes (talk) 22:12, 29 May 2020 (CEST)
Done. It uses IDs for the issue tracker search on pages that have IDs, and on pages that don't have IDs, it uses the page title. - Xerxes (talk) 00:33, 30 May 2020 (CEST)
Thanks! I appreciate your assistance.- Techydude3 (talk) 01:39, 30 May 2020 (CEST)
It is fairly common for the GameIDs to be missing from issues that are ill-reported. We should probably search for the game's name in addition to the GameIDs to get those cases. - MayImilae (talk) 13:36, 3 June 2020 (CEST)
Sure, that makes sense. I'll have it do both. My reasoning was that people would know to use the issue tracker for the game's title intuitively but not necessarily know how to search the IDs, so users would try searching the title on their own, but just searching for both to begin with makes more sense. - Xerxes (talk) 20:10, 3 June 2020 (CEST)
Apparently Redmine only can search for 5 terms, cutting off the rest of the search results (unless using its api). https://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/RedmineSearch#Search-controller This means a wildcard is needed at the region character if a title has 5 or more GameIDs. Also, the title would need to be in quotes, so it doesn't search for "Super" & "Mario" & "Galaxy".
Basically, the link changes from this:
https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMGP01+RMGK01+RMGJ01+RMGE01+RMGR01+RMGC01&all_words=&open_issues=1
to this:
https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/projects/emulator/search?q=RMG_01+%22Super+Mario+Galaxy%22&all_words=&open_issues=1
- Techydude3 (talk) 16:02, 4 June 2020 (CEST)
That would actually be pretty challenging and require a lot of work pre-processing the ID list before the search (not all games use one single ID with different region codes, in fact in some cases they can go all over the place). I'll mull it over. The nicer solution would be a change on the issue tracker side to allow more search terms but searching by title works well enough anyways. On the quotes, I already put the game titles in quotes for the search because I was testing different pages and the Dead Space page picked up a ton of different issues casually using the word "dead", so yeah those are totally necessary if "all words" is disabled. I think what I'll do for now is put the title in quotes first in the search, then the IDs afterwards, so at least the cutoff will be some of the IDs and not the game's title. - Xerxes (talk) 20:29, 4 June 2020 (CEST)
I think we could reorder the search string construction, so it becomes "game name" + game IDs. The 6th term and forward would still be ignored by Redmine but I think it's acceptable, as it would still be sufficient for most games and would still be more broad than the previous search that considered only the game name... - mbc07 (talk) 01:30, 5 June 2020 (CEST)
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