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::::::::::: "When it comes to "Compatibility rating"? It just asks if a game works fine on Dolphin, so if there's a crash, glitch, or such thing that disrupts player's gameplay progress, rate it." By that definition, once a game is completable, it is "perfect". That's ridiculous, and not what '''anyone''' expects by the definition of perfect. The plain common-sense interpretation of perfect compatibility is '''no problems at all ever under any circumstances period'''. That you can play this game and never encounter a bug whatsoever. I absolutely do not think that the name "compatibility rating" vs. "accuracy rating" influences the definition of the word "Perfect". Not to mention we are using it as an accuracy rating and a compatibility rating in one measure. Anyway, I'm not going to talk about the details of these bugs or try to justify these bugs to you, but if you actually thought Dolphin was emulating perfectly, you need to move past that. It does not, and never has, and any dev would tell you that. There are fundamental problems with how Dolphin emulates the GC/Wii on PCs that cannot just be worked around. There is absolutely no game that qualifies as perfect. | ::::::::::: "When it comes to "Compatibility rating"? It just asks if a game works fine on Dolphin, so if there's a crash, glitch, or such thing that disrupts player's gameplay progress, rate it." By that definition, once a game is completable, it is "perfect". That's ridiculous, and not what '''anyone''' expects by the definition of perfect. The plain common-sense interpretation of perfect compatibility is '''no problems at all ever under any circumstances period'''. That you can play this game and never encounter a bug whatsoever. I absolutely do not think that the name "compatibility rating" vs. "accuracy rating" influences the definition of the word "Perfect". Not to mention we are using it as an accuracy rating and a compatibility rating in one measure. Anyway, I'm not going to talk about the details of these bugs or try to justify these bugs to you, but if you actually thought Dolphin was emulating perfectly, you need to move past that. It does not, and never has, and any dev would tell you that. There are fundamental problems with how Dolphin emulates the GC/Wii on PCs that cannot just be worked around. There is absolutely no game that qualifies as perfect. | ||
::::::::::: Anyway, this conversation is starting to go into circles, so I'm going to push it toward a conclusion and ask the other admins to weigh in. My point is simple: Dolphin can never be perfect! And yet we are ignoring global problems and unknown bugs to give games the immutable "perfect" rating. By changing from Perfect to Excellent, and do no other change to our ratings template, we are making the wording used in the compatibility rating better match how we are using it! And that's it! We'll actually be able to tell someone that a game is excellent without '''lying''' to them. That is what bothers me about "perfect" and why I want to make the change. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 09:48, 5 December 2015 (CET) | ::::::::::: Anyway, this conversation is starting to go into circles, so I'm going to push it toward a conclusion and ask the other admins to weigh in. My point is simple: Dolphin can never be perfect! And yet we are ignoring global problems and unknown bugs to give games the immutable "perfect" rating. By changing from Perfect to Excellent, and do no other change to our ratings template, we are making the wording used in the compatibility rating better match how we are using it! And that's it! We'll actually be able to tell someone that a game is excellent without '''lying''' to them. That is what bothers me about "perfect" and why I want to make the change. - [[User:MaJoR|MaJoR]] ([[User talk:MaJoR|talk]]) 09:48, 5 December 2015 (CET) | ||
:::::::::::: I don't think you get where I'm at... I brought up "Accuracy" vs "Compatibility" because the way you said with "Dolphin is not perfect" sounds like you're thinking about "Accuracy rating" rather than "Compatibility rating" on this subject. "Perfect" in accuracy would mean 1:1 identical to the real console which is impossible, of course. It'd be lying to people about this. I'm just saying that the "Perfect" is applicable term for the "Compatibility rating" even if the emulator is not perfect. In other words, it's "Perfect" when a player/tester played the game on x1 native IR at countless time in every possible way and found no apparent bugs so far since. It's pretty much what "Compatibility rating" was asking for. "Excellent" is another applicable term but it's got problem with how to handle bugs that may be minor to some but not quite to others. [[User:Lucario|Lucario]] ([[User talk:Lucario|talk]]) 01:10, 6 December 2015 (CET) | |||
After the whole discussion I'm in favour of moving to Excellent as well as in essence it would just adjust to what we were doing in the past years, what we always did was tagging games that have no known problems as "Perfect" even when that certainly is not the case! (e.g. a less-known game that we don't know it have issues because nobody reported -- it can occur even with popular games, Super Smash Bros. Melee for example kept tagged as "Perfect" for a long time even with its known problems!). So, I suggest we move on with Excellent and then rename the relevant parts (compatibility table and chart, ping delroth or Parlane to update the wording in the main site as well, etc) - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) 17:33, 5 December 2015 (CET) | After the whole discussion I'm in favour of moving to Excellent as well as in essence it would just adjust to what we were doing in the past years, what we always did was tagging games that have no known problems as "Perfect" even when that certainly is not the case! (e.g. a less-known game that we don't know it have issues because nobody reported -- it can occur even with popular games, Super Smash Bros. Melee for example kept tagged as "Perfect" for a long time even with its known problems!). So, I suggest we move on with Excellent and then rename the relevant parts (compatibility table and chart, ping delroth or Parlane to update the wording in the main site as well, etc) - [[User:Jhonn|Jhonn]] ([[User talk:Jhonn|talk]]) 17:33, 5 December 2015 (CET) | ||