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Fixed entry moved back into Enhancements?

I see that you have taken Sonic Heroes#Graphical Glitches with IR>1 back into Enhancements section and I suppose you have read guidelines, I want you to know it's one man change. I have discussion about it here Project talk:Wiki Conventions#Inapporopriate use of Enhancements Section. Enhancement issues are normally wontfix and yet this one is fixed, shouldn't it go to Problems section now? Lucario (talk) 02:38, 23 June 2019 (CEST)

The particular issue does belong under Enhancements. However, a reason to move it would be to align with the way problems are tracked by the Problems template, which should aid with clean-up post the 6.0 release. Really we should add a secondary Enhancements template to handle them similarly (even though there is no commitment to resolve enhancement issues). I've been too lazy to go through the gyrations to set one up though. Kolano (talk) 04:45, 23 June 2019 (CEST)
What do you mean a secondary Enhancements template? Is it that Problems template but for enhancement entries? I want to know what happened when Miksel took the entry back into Enhancements. Lucario (talk) 13:03, 23 June 2019 (CEST)
I placed it under enhancements because it is due to an enhancement just like Kolano said. I understand that it is not ideal with the way problems are tracked but I don't think that is a valid reason to put it under problems. Miksel12 (talk) 13:27, 23 June 2019 (CEST)
"Due to an enhancement"? Right, there are lot of ways to name it, "enhancement issue", "issue of an enhancement", etc... even just an "issue" or "problem" can work. I get that going under problems means that'll afflict compatibility rating of a game, so why not let emu info have it? And uh, it's slashed, so it won't affect compatibility rating any more. Does it still has to go under Enhancements? There's problem template that can pick it up for 6.0 cleanup. Lucario (talk) 16:09, 23 June 2019 (CEST)
If it were up to me, we'd just track all problems under problems. But since folks want to distinguish between "enhancement" related issues that will be ignored, and others this is what we have. Moving things back and forth between those sections based on if they are resolved or not just leads to confusion as to where specific issues belong.
Regarding the secondary template, yes a template similar to the current Problems one but for the Enhancements section; which would generate a separate set of similar categories as the Problems one does for resolved enhancement problems. Kolano (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2019 (CEST)
It does make sense in some way for maintenance OCD but there's Emu Info that could've got it just as well. Still, problem is problem, Dolphin's terms must have confused you. I see you took some into Emu Info and that's good, just why not all into there? I guess we aren't on same page, there were Sonic Heroes 1>IR issue that's not a "wontfix" on bug tracker and yet it is in Enhancement section on this Wiki because of your ruling. Oh well, it can't be helped. Seeing them into Enhancements are giving me OCD.
In the past you did made good pointer that Emu Info should be above of other sections for visibility. Problematic enhancements can receive more attention if they're in there than in Enhancements section that's deep down in page. It's good because even there are ignorant readers that may not know that the "problem" was enhancement related. They're expecting the end of Problems section to be the end of problem reports. Lucario (talk) 04:21, 27 June 2019 (CEST)
Emulation Information is only supposed to be used for: game bugs also occurring on the consoles, controller setup concerns, or perhaps other non-problem details that effect titles emulation (there should be few of these, I can't think of an example off hand). I know you have concerns with problems related to enhancement features being listed under enhancements; but that's how it's currently being handled. Conceivably we could have separate "Enhancement" and "Enhancement Problems" sections, but such would be a lot of work to set up.
Oh, and yeah, we should perhaps have a template for Emu Info too, but since it's used for things that generally won't be addressed over time, the functionality the template provides would be kind of pointless. Kolano (talk) 04:56, 27 June 2019 (CEST)
You aren't the person to come up with Emulation Information. You just changed the way they are used for and I haven't even seen consensus for that. Then just recently Miksel has followed suit with moving too many of entries into Enhancements. This system doesn't harmonize with bug tracker and plenty of other factors any more; reading flow, what can readers expect, etc. This system is as if the Dolphin terms is the only factor here and that we have OCD with Problems section is being populated at all.
I asked about new section similar to your "Enhancement Problems" new section, as Mbc said it's bad idea, yes he's right, it's going to be too much, I take that question back. I wouldn't even think about new templates, they're going to be headaches too. Lucario (talk) 08:00, 27 June 2019 (CEST)
The sections are being used in compliance with the current Wiki Conventions. We can discuss revising those conventions, but it's probably more appropriate under Project talk:Wiki Conventions. My current opinion is that sticking enhancement related problems into Emulation Info will add numerous issues prior to the more critical ones listed under Problems, and would likely muddy the waters regarding the sort of content that's appropriate for Emulation Info. Kolano (talk) 09:59, 27 June 2019 (CEST)
While I can understand moving the 'fixed' enhancements to problems (although I still think it belongs in enhancements), moving them to Emulation Information would make no sense. Like Kolano said, Emu Info is for game bugs and normal behavior that could seem like a bug, or even problems with the emulator which are fixed by using different hardware (Real Wiimote vs Bluetooth passthrough for example). But that is my 2 cents. Miksel12 (talk) 12:03, 27 June 2019 (CEST)
Both of you are correct, there are many enhancement problems that don't fit there. There are two other possible actions: stay in Problems section or remove from page. I have example that can go into Emu Info is Metroid Prime (Metroid Prime: Trilogy)#Dot in IR>1. Example that can go into Problems section is Sonic Heroes#Graphical Glitches with IR>1. If the problem entry (e.g. Metroid Prime (Metroid Prime: Trilogy)#Bloom Offset in IR>1) that can't fit in either Problems or Emu Info, then it shouldn't be on the page at all. Honestly, now that you said Emu Info or Problems make no sense for all sort of enhancement problems, well, to be blunt with you, an enhancement problem entry in Enhancements is actually making even less sense, it's got reading flow problem and sometime sound irony (problem ironically enhancing your gameplay than problem == problem). I understand where you're coming from, just, I'm not sure why don't you see at them in different ways. Lucario (talk) 04:35, 28 June 2019 (CEST)
For me, the enhancements section is about everything note worthy about enhancements for a certain title. That includes problems that it causes. Problems should be about problems whitch occur with default settings and Emu Info about issue inherent to the game or hardware used. Miksel12 (talk) 14:07, 28 June 2019 (CEST)
Anything in Dolphin settings can be enhancement, they are tweaks that may or may not improve emulation, there's that Zelda speed hack that isn't labeled as enhancement. The Enhancements section was meant for patches, codes, and any outside enhancement addons, it was originally named "Patches". It was OK for a while until it included problem entries of Dolphin's "enhancement" settings somehow because they're looking at Dolphin's terms. The technical illiterate readers aren't going to get this. Lucario (talk) 01:33, 29 June 2019 (CEST)
Yeah, I actually don't agree with ZTP hack in Emu Info. I did put it under Enhancements but Kolano placed it under Emu Info. Miksel12 (talk) 01:51, 29 June 2019 (CEST)
It's a weird case, as we normally wouldn't cover performance related issues here. It should be under "Problems" but you apparently want to call Twilight Princess perfect which prevents listing it there. I'd prefer if it were removed, but it apparently such a popular game effecting many users that the devs still want it listed. Kolano (talk) 03:05, 29 June 2019 (CEST)
I don't think it is a problem at lower IR, as far as I now the problem scales with resolution. And from what i have heard, the performance at 1x IR is perfect(on decent hardware). Which would make it enhancement related issue. Miksel12 (talk) 12:44, 29 June 2019 (CEST)